Shootings in Chicago (2013, living, costs)

[mas23]

Originally Posted by ofcjim40

They give a crap about today, much less getting locked up and sitting on death row forever. Honestly about the only thing that will stop gang bangers is the law abiding citizens shooting them dead on the spot when they commit a crime and burning their hangouts to the ground. And no I'm not kidding. The tactics of polite society will not end gangs. Basically a scorched earth policy that instill fear in their hearts that makes it be a liability to be a gang member will outweigh the benefit of being in one. Basically bangers fear nothing. The judicial system is a joke. They do no time and cases get tossed. The a Cop gives one of them a well deserved crack and the City will pay them out $80,000. The axis of this world really has shifted to a sad place.

Some of them might act like they don't giva a F*** but a lot of times thats just for show to impress their friends. A lot of bangers, esp. the younger ones actually do give a f*** once they've been to jail and find out they're not as tough as they thought they were. Now the older members who have been in it for years might not give a damn, but I agree the death penalty would not work and it wont stop gangs from flourishing at all. Too much money to be made despite the consequneces.

Originally Posted by eevee

Basically. It's not as in reinstating the death penalty will equal a decrease in gang violence (hell, wasn't the death penalty just recently made illegal in IL? Seems like when it didn't make that much of a difference when crime was worse). They don't fear death or jail and the younger ones think they are immune to both (or at the very least, their juvie records are sealed). Jail and death isn't going to eradicate gangs; only hitting them where it hurts- their wallets- will have an effect.

The death penalty would not put an end to crime. A lot of states in the South that have the death penalty have some of the highest crime rates in the country. I DO think Illinois should adopt the three stikes law.

Three strikes law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

mas23

[cml]

Man all these shootings in Chicago on the news every month, there has now been 237 shootings and 33 people dead in the past 4-5 months thats alot. This is crazy the city of Chicago or the Illinois State Government has got to do something. In Texas if this **** happened and they catch the gangs they give them the death penalty, Texas does not put up with that stuff. We need Illinois to be almost like Texas in these situations. Then gangs will be afraid to do shootings cause if they law enforcement will torture with the death penalty. Illnois needs a Republican Government.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by cml

Man all these shootings in Chicago on the news every month, there has now been 237 shootings and 33 people dead in the past 4-5 months thats alot.

"A lot" is relative. It's on pace to break last year's total of 440 and possibly even 2008's total of 510 (if the numbers stay high all summer) but probably won't come close to the 700-940 yearly totals from the 90's.

It's not good that it's trending up, and we should be concerned, but in historical context it's far from the apocalyptic scenario it's being made out to be.

[j_cat]

Originally Posted by cml

Man all these shootings in Chicago on the news every month, there has now been 237 shootings and 33 people dead in the past 4-5 months thats alot. This is crazy the city of Chicago or the Illinois State Government has got to do something. In Texas if this **** happened and they catch the gangs they give them the death penalty, Texas does not put up with that stuff. We need Illinois to be almost like Texas in these situations. Then gangs will be afraid to do shootings cause if they law enforcement will torture with the death penalty. Illnois needs a Republican Government.

Ten-second search shows Texas with a murder rate of 5.0/100K, Illinois at 5.5/100K. Not significantly different, and neither is anywhere near as noteworthy as killer Louisiana (11.2) or placid New Hampshire (1.0).

[Plzeň]

Originally Posted by j_cat

Ten-second search shows Texas with a murder rate of 5.0/100K, Illinois at 5.5/100K. Not significantly different, and neither is anywhere near as noteworthy as killer Louisiana (11.2) or placid New Hampshire (1.0).

And Louisiana has the death penalty, too. All data points toward the death penalty being absolutely no deterrent whatsoever to murder.

If there's one thing Illinois does not need it's to become more like Texas.

[lenniel]

Originally Posted by Plzeň

And Louisiana has the death penalty, too. All data points toward the death penalty being absolutely no deterrent whatsoever to murder.

If there's one thing Illinois does not need it's to become more like Texas.

The death penalty isn't a deterrent, it's a punishment. Big difference.

An eye for an eye.

[knitgirl]

Originally Posted by plzeň

if there's one thing illinois does not need it's to become more like texas.

amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Aleking]

lol @ all the random conservatives coming in from outside the city to rant

[cspenc10]

Originally Posted by SmartGXL

I agree with this. There has also been speculation that the gangs would turn to start kidnapping people for ransom money (which is what they do in places like Mexico City).

Where's your research or data to support this?

[quigboto]

Originally Posted by Chicago60614

I've been here 11 years and 4 of them have been in Buena Park. I've never to my knowledge heard any gunfire. I certainly don't know anyone who's been shot, nor have I ever heard any friends or coworkers mention ever knowing someone who's been shot.

As keeps being repeated - a vast majority of shootings happen in certain neighborhoods among gang members.

Even though this (part of the) neighborhood is slowly improving, I still hear gunshots fairly often. Usually in the distance to the south though. We had one terrible instance about 3-4 years ago where a young gangbanger was gunned down in the street in front of our house. We actually heard it happen (we had our window open and it overlooks the street) and heard the anguished cries of his brother as his sibling died in his arms. It was horrific. If we were ever tempted to walk away from our house, credit be damned, that was it. Thankfully, nothing like that has happened in our direct vicinity since, and this part of the neighborhood continues to get better as the hipsters/artists move in and run the rents up.

(To clarify: Please don't think I am painting the gangbanger as a poor victim. The media, the 250 gangbangers who came out to pay respects to their fallen homie at the scene (Which was odd since his family said "He wasn't in no gang!") all did their part to paint him as a poor innocent victim. When I say it was "terrible instance" I meant for his brother and/or anyone who had to go through the trauma of witnessing a person lose their life (especially in such a stupid and senseless manner) and the heightened gang tensions (and danger to passersby) that followed. Otherwise I am not lamenting a few less gangbangers in the world)