Conceal and Carry in Chicago (Harvard, Union: felons, purchases, hydrant)

[chitownperson]

Originally Posted by SmartGXL

Wow, is Illinois and Chicago great or what?

More dangerous than Baghdad

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?
Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago.
221 killed in Iraq AND
Chicago has one of the strictest gun laws in the entire US.
The leadership in Illinois - all Democrats.
President: Barack Hussein Obama
Senator: Dick Durbin
House Representative: Jesse Jackson Jr.
Governor: Pat Quinn
House leader: Mike Madigan
Atty. Gen.: Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike)
Mayor: Rahm Emanuel
Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago.
Of course, they're all blaming each other.
Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!
Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country. Can't blame
Republicans; there aren't any!
State pension fund $78 Billion in debt, worst in country. Can't blame Republicans;
there aren't any!
Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. Can't blame
Republicans; there aren't any!
This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois.
And he is going to try to take away our right to own a gun in self-defense?

I post these things because I love CHI and because I want things there to be fixed.

This kind of thing needs to be kept in context. Yes, gun crime in Chicago is bad, as it is in many places in the US. Gun crime is also largely isolated to poor areas, so saying things like "Chicago more dangerous than Baghdad" is not exactly painting an accurate picture because many people in Chicago live their entire lives in Chicago in safe areas with out experiencing much or any violent crime.

The thing that's going to make a real difference is strict gun control.

[SmartGXL]

Originally Posted by chitownperson

This kind of thing needs to be kept in context. Yes, gun crime in Chicago is bad, as it is in many places in the US. Gun crime is also largely isolated to poor areas, so saying things like "Chicago more dangerous than Baghdad" is not exactly painting an accurate picture because many people in Chicago live their entire lives in Chicago in safe areas with out experiencing much or any violent crime.

The thing that's going to make a real difference is strict gun control.

You mean like the strict gun control (assault weapons ban) that we had in place nationwide when the Columbine Massacre happened in 1999?

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by SmartGXL

You mean like the strict gun control (assault weapons ban) that we had in place nationwide when the Columbine Massacre happened in 1999?

If you recall how those two acquired their guns, you'll realize why almost no one considered the US in the 90's a place with 'strict gun control'.

[Chicago South Sider]

Originally Posted by chitownperson

This kind of thing needs to be kept in context. Yes, gun crime in Chicago is bad, as it is in many places in the US. Gun crime is also largely isolated to poor areas, so saying things like "Chicago more dangerous than Baghdad" is not exactly painting an accurate picture because many people in Chicago live their entire lives in Chicago in safe areas with out experiencing much or any violent crime.

The thing that's going to make a real difference is strict gun control.

So, when gun violence is isolated to poor, minority areas it's ok? The problem occurs when good, white people start dying, right? It's good to know nothing has really changed in the past few centuries. lol

You are such a transparent hypocrite.

[mattywo85]

Originally Posted by chitownperson

This kind of thing needs to be kept in context. Yes, gun crime in Chicago is bad, as it is in many places in the US. Gun crime is also largely isolated to poor areas, so saying things like "Chicago more dangerous than Baghdad" is not exactly painting an accurate picture because many people in Chicago live their entire lives in Chicago in safe areas with out experiencing much or any violent crime.

The thing that's going to make a real difference is strict gun control.

Whats going to make the difference is not blaming the gun for all the violence that is going on.

[chitownperson]

Originally Posted by Chicago South Sider

So, when gun violence is isolated to poor, minority areas it's ok? The problem occurs when good, white people start dying, right? It's good to know nothing has really changed in the past few centuries. lol

You are such a transparent hypocrite.

If you actually read my posts and understood them in context you would actually understand that I believe 1 gun crime is 1 too many, regardless of whether someone is rich or poor, white or black. You were obviously too unintelligent to see that I was saying the violence in Chicago is not the same as Baghdad, and that living in a society where you are faced with violence on literally every street corner is different to a place where it's more isolated. If we'd followed my posts before, you'd know my advocacy for the importance of racial and economic equality. There was no value judgement in my post, but you decided to put it in anyway to push you pro gun agenda.

Before you start calling people "transparent hypocrites" you show look in the mirror and consider how you want to add more guns to a society where guns are being used to kill kids, and predominantly the poor and minorities.

You want to talk about who cares more about whites? The people that are for guns care more about whites, because its the poor and minorities that are disproportionately affected by gun violence in the US. So get off your high horse you "transparent hypocrite"!

[chitownperson]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

if you recall how those two acquired their guns, you'll realize why almost no one considered the us in the 90's a place with 'strict gun control'.

+1

[chitownperson]

Originally Posted by mattywo85

Whats going to make the difference is not blaming the gun for all the violence that is going on.

So more of the NRA, its the people, party line I see. "Gun" violence has nothing to do with "guns"? It's not too hard to understand the correlation.

[chirack]

Originally Posted by Rakin

Are you saying gun control does not keep guns out of the hands of criminals ? Maybe only honest citizens ?

No the problem is that guns have a habit of getting out of the hands of "honest citizens" and into criminal ones. I know there will be crime, but we don't need to make it easy for a criminal to get semi-automatic fire arms on the blackmarket.

The big problem isn't that guns can't help in self defense. The problem is that the self defense argument is over sold and so you have lots of fire arms to get stolen or sold to the black market than would be otherwise.

[chirack]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Those NRA bastards would rather do anything than give up some of their precious guns, even the screwball ones. The rest of us are supposed to form school guard militias and hire more cops just so their hobby isn't infringed on?

It's a safety blanket. I have been on the otherside of the gun to know it won't save you and I have lived in a rough area, so I know the bad guys are not just armed but well armed. There are times when I could see myself owning one but I also realize there are some big downsides that need to be addressed.