Reflection of a Two Year Transplant (For Outsiders) (Chicago, Rochester: gated, pros and cons)

[MassVt]

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

False.

Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse are ethnically and culturally tied to the Northeast. Its significantly Italian. (as much if not more % wise than NYC, Philly, Providence, Boston) Also Irish and Puerto Rican.

Religious backgrounds? No.

Its pretty well studied that the accents you get in Detroit, Chicago and Cleveland came from those who originally settled along the Erie Canal. Upstate NY doesnt have their accents, its the other way around.

Providence is more Italian than ANYWHERE ELSE.

Cities like Buffalo, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit and Chicago also have had millions of German, Czech, Hungarian, Polish, other Slavic, etc., immigrants, unlike many of the large East Coast cities..

[Heyooooo]

Originally Posted by PA Born

Sorry, I disagree.

And I'm not really getting your "evidence". Louisiana has some of the highest proportion of Italians, by county, in the U.S. Therefore Louisiana is part of Northeast/New England?

And Northeast Ohio is very heavily Italian, higher than Upstate NY/Western PA. Why is this your criteria for "Northeast/New England"?

Chicago has a higher proportion of Puerto Ricans than Buffalo, Rochester, or Syracuse. So Chicago is Northeast, based on this?

Montana has a higher proportion of Irish than New York State. So Montana is Northeast?


I don't care where it started; the fact is that the accents are similar. People in Buffalo sound like people in Cleveland or Detroit, they don't sound like people in Boston or NYC.

You were the one who mentioned ethnicities, no?

Do Upstate NY and the Midwest look anything alike to you?

Upstate is mostly Italian, English, Irish and even French Canadian at the upper most parts, by and large.

Dark green is Italian. Oneida (Utica) and Schenectady counties.

Light green is Irish. Not even going to bother as the entire Hudson Valley and Syracuse/Binghamton areas are covered.

Blue is English, which is Binghamton areas.

The predominant ancestries in Upstate NY are Italian and Irish.


NE Ohio is NOT more Italian than Upstate NY. The **** is this? This almost made me laugh. You got anything to back this up whatsoever?

Utica and Albany dont talk like NYC or Boston either. Neither do most parts of New England, especially Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine.

[Heyooooo]

Originally Posted by MassVt

Providence is more Italian than ANYWHERE ELSE.

Cities like Buffalo, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit and Chicago also have had millions of German, Czech, Hungarian, Polish, other Slavic, etc., immigrants, unlike many of the large East Coast cities..

You need to introduce yourself to cities like Utica-Rome, Syracuse and Schenectady, with very similar % of Italian ancestry to Providence. (~30%)

Upstate New York

• Albany - the South End neighborhood
• Amsterdam, NY
• Auburn, NY
• Buffalo - the city's north side, however they are scattered all across Buffalo, including a once high concentration on the city's West Side
• Binghamton
• Canandaigua
• Canastota, NY
• Carmel
• Chili
• Cicero, NY
• Cortland, NY
• Endicott, NY - North side of the village is Little Italy
• Fulton, NY
• Frankfort
• Gates, NY
• Geneva
• Gloversville, NY
• Greece, NY
• Herkimer, NY
• Jamestown, NY
• Kenmore, NY
• Kingston, NY
• Lockport, NY
• Lyncourt
• Mahopac
• Middletown, NY
• Monroe
• Newburgh, NY
• New Rochelle, NY
• Niagara Falls
• North Syracuse, NY
• Oswego, NY
• Poughkeepsie - primarily the Mount Carmel District
• Rochester - East Rochester
• Rome - 30.2% Italian-American
• Rotterdam, NY
• Schenectady
• Solvay, NY
• Syracuse
  • Little Italy - on the city's North Side
  • Eastwood, Syracuse
• Troy - Hillary Clinton has proposed a "Little Italy" section in the city.
• Utica - 28% Italian-American, concentrated in East Utica
• Watertown[disambiguation needed]

[Heyooooo]

Simple trip to Wikipedia is all it takes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstate...k#Demographics

While residents of English ancestry have a strong presence, The Hudson Valley, the Capital District and the Syracuse region are heavily Irish American. The North Country is heavily French Canadian. Italian Americans are the largest ethnic group in Oneida County, Broome County, and Schenectady, while German ancestry is most common across western New York. Persons of Polish, Irish, German, and Italian ancestry are predominant in the cities of Buffalo and Rochester and their close suburbs. African Americans while not as numerous as in New York City make up a sizable percentage of the residents in cities such as Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, and Albany.
There is also a significant presence of the indigenous Haudenosaunee or Six Nations in the region, who retain several reservations: the Seneca nation and Tonawanda Band of Seneca Indians in Western New York, the Onondaga nation south of Syracuse, the Oneida nation of Oneida County and the Mohawk nation in Franklin County. Members of the Six Nations also live in the cities of Upstate New York.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

Do Upstate NY and the Midwest look anything alike to you?

Uh....Western upstate NY looks exactly like the Midwest, actually, which is what everyone has been saying. Are you looking at the same map you posted?

[Heyooooo]

Originally Posted by PA Born

And Northeast Ohio is very heavily Italian, higher than Upstate NY/Western PA. Why is this your criteria for "Northeast/New England"?

Are you high?


Cleveland is 4.6% Italian.

Buffalo is 11.7%.

[Heyooooo]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

Uh....The Western upstate NY looks exactly like the Midwest, actually, which is what everyone has been saying. Are you looking at the same map you posted?

Western NY is not Upstate NY.

[PA Born]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

Uh....The Western upstate NY looks exactly like the Midwest, actually, which is what everyone has been saying. Are you looking at the same map you posted?

That's what I was thinking.

Sorry, Heyooo, pretty much everyone seems to disagree with you.

Western Upstate feels Great Lakes/Midwest, which makes sense, considering it sits on the Great Lakes, and is closer to major Midwest cities than to major Northeast cities.

Now if you're talking Eastern Upstate, that's a different story, but places like Buffalo, no way. Certainly everything west of Syracuse, no way.

[PA Born]

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

You need to introduce yourself to cities like Utica-Rome, Syracuse and Schenectady, with very similar % of Italian ancestry to Providence. (~30%)

I'm not getting your argument. Utica-Rome and Schenectady are in Eastern Upstate. No one claimed they feel like Great Lakes.

Syracuse is much more on the borderline.

And, in any case, your numbers are all wrong. One in seven Syracuse residents claim Italian descent. Nearly one in three Providence residents claim Italian descent. How is that comparable?

[Heyooooo]

Puerto Ricans?

Puerto Ricans in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Connecticut - 7.1%
New York - 5.5%
New Jersey - 4.9%
Florida - 4.5%
Massachusetts - 4.1%
Rhode Island - 3.3%
Hawaii - 3.2%
Pennsylvania - 2.9%
Delaware - 2.5
USA - 1.5
Illinois is 1.4%
..........
........
.... Ohio .8%


Theres a reason why I said Italians, Irish and Puerto Ricans. By percentage, Upstate NY (which is tied right along to the rest of the Northeast), has the highest percentage/amount in the country.


The most outside of the dominant region for these three ancestries is Chicago. Chicago has everything.