Great Lakes water....to southwest?? (Chicago, Kell: crime, live, title)

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by doodlemagic

I agree to some extent, however if you choose to live in the desert than you need to realize your living in a desert.

I would liken diverting our water would be similar to saying we should all pay to help rebuild people's houses who choose to live near the ocean after a hurricane.

You want to live on the beach I don't blame you the water is beautiful, however I'm not going to pay to fix your house after a hurricane comes.

And flood zones. That gets me angry. Sure live in one if you want, but don't expect to be bailed out when your home is washed away.

[wase4711]

whether you like it or not, we ALL pay for natural disaster repair through higher insurance rates, among other things that we all have to pony up after those things happen; watch how your insurance rates go up this year after last summers hurricane events.

[DavePa]

Originally Posted by wase4711

whether you like it or not, we ALL pay for natural disaster repair through higher insurance rates, among other things that we all have to pony up after those things happen; watch how your insurance rates go up this year after last summers hurricane events.

Are you trying to predict a disaster possible in the southwest in growing to the point it runs into MAJOR water issues? That the Great Lakes region should let water PREVENT this disaster that we then all will pay for?

A better solution is not let growth just spiral up if no logical and no cost effective means to increase the southwest water supplies .... I for one rather the FRUIT, VEGETBLE and VINEYARDS of California GET WATER TO KEEP OUR FOOD COST FROM SKYROCKETING FIRST.

It's still too great a distance and only Lake Michigan is entirely in the US. But its shares a straight with Lake Huron that maintains each their balanced levels and geologically is as one lake. Canada still never would give a OK. Case closed .....

[Enean]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Great outlook, buddy. Wish death upon innocent, fellow countrymen? You're not related to Stalin by chance, are you?




Should those of us in the West wish you all died in floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, or simply be frozen to death? Natives lived and thrived here in the Southwest long before we came along. How is that "uninhabitable"? Our climate is more survivable than yours.




Yeah, Phoenix should not exist. Riiiiiight. I guess you should wipe out Jerusalem, Dubai, Johannesburg, Abu Dhabi, all of Australia, etc, too? I mean, they are desert environments, too.




If we can put men on the moon, travel at supersonic speeds, launch missiles hundreds of miles from their targets with pinpoint accuracy, have self-driving cars, etc, we can surely move water.




Wildfires are a part of life, yes. But theyre dealt with. And any idiot knows wildfires bring forth new life, not destroy things permanently.

The Great Lakes are why the Great Lakes states are predicted to be very powerful in the future....

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by Enean

The Great Lakes are why the Great Lakes states are predicted to be very powerful in the future....

you mean like when melting ice and rising seas put Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, Miami, New Orleans, Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, and Honolulu under water?

Yep, I agree with you.

my only disagreement is, at this point, whether "the future" actually exists.

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by Chicago76

We can do all of those things. But we don't need to do all of those things, for there is a much simpler solution: the people living in the southwest should move. Short of developing teleportation technology, water would need to be shipped by vehicle over long distances. And even if you got your water consumption down to 20 gallons/day (and you can't, short of not bathing regularly), that is ridiculously expensive.

Don't know if you realize this: but you guys, even with your conservation efforts, consumer more H2O per capita than Midwestern urban areas do. Because it's hot. And water is needed to hydrate and cool things.

Contrary to any claim you have made, living in a temperate to subtropical climate with plenty of water is most conducive to human habitation. The history of civilization shows this to be true as these are the areas with the most dense patterns of settlement dating back thousands of years. Sure, Native Americans have lived in the desert southwest for a long time. The Innuit have lived in Artic environments as well.

Being able to scale civilization in various environments is important.

It's probably less of an example of "should" as "will".....for they will leave Phoenix either by moving out or dying. There is no way that the heat engine you will see in place within a decade or two will support human and most other forms of life. Nothing can be done to stop it: Phoenix becomes unlivable when heat rises beyond the human body to survive it and later in the century, no matter what we do, Miami will be totally under water.

But this is America, so it's fine and ok to ignore that and say "It'll never happen."

[wase4711]

Originally Posted by edsg25

There is no way that the heat engine you will see in place within a decade or two will support human and most other forms of life. Nothing can be done to stop it: Phoenix becomes unlivable when heat rises beyond the human body to survive it and later in the century, no matter what we do, Miami will be totally under water.

But this is America, so it's fine and ok to ignore that and say "It'll never happen."

Its understandable why you have such a morbid, fatalistic mindset; living in Chicago long term will do that to you..

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by wase4711

Its understandable why you have such a morbid, fatalistic mindset; living in Chicago long term will do that to you..

Thanks. Love every minute of it. Fantastic city. We are truly blessed.

You realize, I know Chicago is going to be hit very hard with what is coming; every place will. I'm not sure where you get the notion I'm being morbid or fatalistic. I don't feel I am being pessemistic; I feel I am being realistic (I realizeyou disagree). At this point, wade, you can be in as much denial as you wish. It's happening. It's happening in real time. And it is. Going to be devastating. Of course, you'd have, like I do, great saddness for what we created which is destroying us. But no one needs to be depressed. Just keep livi g for the moment, do whay you can to make things better (never stop trying, no matter what the odds), and be good to each other. I realize a lot, undoubtedly most, do not she this as an emminant near term existential crisis, but many of usdo. We realize the damage has already been done. Does that mean I'm going to be critical of your opinion. We all end up crunching the numbers our own way as we face the biggest existential crisis in human history. It's true: nature bats last. And, for the record, I would be happy if you were right and I was wrong.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by edsg25

you mean like when melting ice and rising seas put Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, Miami, New Orleans, Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, and Honolulu under water?

Yep, I agree with you.

my only disagreement is, at this point, whether "the future" actually exists.

Polar ice caps are currently thickening, bud.

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Polar ice caps are currently thickening, bud.

I'm really happy for you, Big Cats; i'm sure you will enjoy those refeshing, soon-to-come Augusts with temperatures hovering in the upper 60's. And think what you'll save by being able to shut off the A/C