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Old 12-09-2019, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Ha ha ha jokes on me. Ok, WHY ARE THE HOOD AREAS OF THE SOUTHSIDE AND WESTSIDE LOSING AFRICAN-AMERICANS?

Tell us .... is really taxes? Or Cost of homes and Apartments? Maybe something else of the neighborhoods the City can't fully control?
Really? Typing in caps like a petulant child? I guess age doesn't necessarily bring maturity. Anyway, we are talking about the Chicago MSA here, not just the city. It's not just Cook that's declining now, but the collar counties as well.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...408-story.html


In fact, every MSA in the state of Illinois saw population decline between 2017 and 2018.
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:52 PM
 
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Really? Typing in caps like a petulant child? I guess age doesn't necessarily bring maturity. Anyway, we are talking about the Chicago MSA here, not just the city. It's not just Cook that's declining now, but the collar counties as well.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...408-story.html


In fact, every MSA in the state of Illinois saw population decline between 2017 and 2018.
You still ignored the US Census Stats on Chicago over the decades, So don't answer ..... fine. This isn't about the State and other areas has nothing to do with Chicago's losses over decades.... it's on the city of Chicago actually. But a ongoing loss was South and West. If it increases overall? Doesn't change why last couple decades..... it was from certain hoods by far.

Non answer as you know darn well why. yes I'm done. New I agree is on other things. I asked a specific past census proved loss and why.
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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The central area of Chicago has been doing well. The north side is slowly creeping along. It was hemorrhaging residents between 2000 and 2010. The north side turned the corner in 2010. What's funny is that the southwest side, south lakefront and far southwest sides combined actually added more people than the north side between 2010 and 2017. The far south side continues to lose residents at an alarming rate.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...ity-crossroads
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:56 PM
 
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The central area of Chicago has been doing well. The north side is slowly creeping along. It was hemorrhaging residents between 2000 and 2010. The north side turned the corner in 2010. What's funny is that the southwest side, south lakefront and far southwest side combined actually added more people than the north side between 2010 and 2017. The far south side continues to lose residents at an alarming rate.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...ity-crossroads
OK Truth at last. But still no reason in past decades the loss was South and West HOODS? That you didn't answer ..... its THE GANGLAND SHOOTINGS ETC. Caps stress comments. Smiles add whatever. It is in the end a Chat forum.
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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OK Truth at last. But still no reason in past decades the loss was South and West HOODS? That you answer ..... its THE GANGLAND SHOOTINGS ETC.
The truth is that many black people in Chicago feel there are much better places for them to live. They've felt this way for a long time. That's why they are moving and will continue to move. While white Chicago cheerfully celebrates the decline of the black population, places such as Dallas, Houston and Atlanta don't seem to be complaining about the influx.
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Tri-Taylor
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The truth is that many black people in Chicago feel there are much better places for them to live. They've felt this way for a long time. That's why they are moving and will continue to move. While white Chicago cheerfully celebrates the decline of the black population, places such as Dallas, Houston and Atlanta don't seem to be complaining about the influx.
It's interesting how it's characterized isn't it? In a less woke time (i.e. before 2017), people were much more transparent about this. They'd talk openly and sometimes almost gleefully about how the poor were moving to the suburbs, and it was pretty clear who they were referring to (African-Americans and Hispanics). Now, they are more subtle but it is still clear that the overall sentiment hasn't changed.

Sure, some majority AA neighborhoods are now getting some amateur investors but that seems to be mostly limited to East Garfield Park and certain parts of North Lawndale. So this is clearly motivated by impending gentrification. Very disappointing for such a progressive region, IMO
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:35 PM
 
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The truth is that many black people in Chicago feel there are much better places for them to live. They've felt this way for a long time. That's why they are moving and will continue to move. While white Chicago cheerfully celebrates the decline of the black population, places such as Dallas, Houston and Atlanta don't seem to be complaining about the influx.
Them cities have their issues too. Texas has a very high % on public assistance and the State-level debt too. One thinks the opposite actually. But the State Real-Time Debt Clock doesn't lie.

Even by me. Cheaper housing brings NYC's poorer and Philly's to the region by me in east-central PA. Most can't get jobs cause of convictions. Increases in crimes have occurred, trashed old-stock dirt-cheap row-homes they used too till evicted and non-bill paying notices pile up on the doors. They move to another County and...... but also good people who chose the move too. Gain Jobs and have good Schools having no gangs too. Disabled on fixed incomes too I met for cheaper living.

But nothing to do with Chicagoans. Many choose to stay in the region too. More suburban moves made too. But still main reason was gangland-crime and schools to closings in the city hoods. GANGS more then anything ..... prompted the migration outward. Now even Taxes do in other areas sadly.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The far south side continues to lose residents at an alarming rate.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...ity-crossroads
That doesn't surprise me. No CTA train access south of the southern point of the red line (95th), and outside of the lakefront, the direct south side doesn't have much to offer in terms of gentrification efforts. I'd say for the south side in general, the southwest side (by Midway) has potential as it's a relatively safe area/community, the lakefront has the lake and neighborhoods like Hyde Park to offer, and areas closer to downtown have proximity and CTA access to offer. But south of the red line, there's pretty much nothing worth gentrifying, so it makes sense those areas are losing population.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Ha ha ha jokes on me. Ok, WHY ARE THE HOOD AREAS OF THE SOUTHSIDE AND WESTSIDE LOSING AFRICAN-AMERICANS?

Tell us .... is really taxes? Or Cost of homes and Apartments? Maybe something else of the neighborhoods the City can't fully control?
Considering how many of those properties are on the tax delinquency rolls, it turns out that yes, they're on the leading edge of the brewing tax revolt.

And why should they pay any property taxes? Their property has been rendered so worthless the county can't even find speculators to buy the delinquencies, which in turn means they know nobody's going to kick them out for not paying. The assessed value as a percentage of actual market value for a lot of these properties is outrageous.
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Old 12-10-2019, 12:17 PM
 
Location: River North, Chicago, Illinois
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OK Truth at last. But still no reason in past decades the loss was South and West HOODS? That you didn't answer ..... its THE GANGLAND SHOOTINGS ETC. Caps stress comments. Smiles add whatever. It is in the end a Chat forum.
They have experienced rampant gang violence for decades - since at least the 1970s. The question is what changed in the 2010s. And your answer doesn't make sense, since it is a situation that long pre-dated the mid-2010s. If anything, crime was mostly on a downward trend since 2000.
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