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Sure it is a choice. Force can still be brought to you by a choice. If I submerged you in a underwater building and gave you two choice to exit the building then I still gave you the choices. So the choice you made is still within the framework I provided.
Sorry, I guess I'm not following you. If the choice is to repent and accept Jesus Christ's sacrifice on your behalf or to not repent and reject His offer of grace, one choice negates the other. We're not talking about two choices that will ultimately result in the same thing -- in your example, being able to get safely out of the submerged building.
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Now you said that ALMOST everyone will choose Him, tell me where it is that you believe God will fail to put forward the right presentation to have the rest NOT choose Him?
It has nothing to do with God's failure to do anything. It's just that I don't believe God will force anyone to make the right choice. The Bible speaks of one sin, which is said to be "unforgivable" -- either in this life or the next. I am assuming that out of the billions of people who have ever lived, a few will probably commit this sin. I can elaborate if you'd like me to. I can't possibly say for sure, but I believe it's entirely within the realm of reason.
I se you finally came to your senses and realized your error and that God is forcing...ie...creating robots for His glory. The core of your interpetive error. God doesn't force anyone....we surrender....freely.
"The second death is a wonderful thing." ...............
What irks me is that this isn't considered "jabbing". Imagine if a LDS person would say that the fall of man is a wonderful thing ....there would be no way to refute it. It would be considered "bashing" to quote the source AND \ OR show the Bible's opposition to it.
"The second death is a wonderful thing."
This statement is against my Lutheran confessions, and I find it covertly offensive and attacking in nature.
The comment "The second death is a wonderful thing" is so far out there, that I don't think the person who made it was being serious.
Well, I do believe almost everyone will eventually choose Him, but I don't believe it will be because they are forced to. If they were forced to, it wouldn't really be a choice.
If everyone will choose him, then why does the mormon church hold rituals to 'save' dead unbelievers?
If everyone will choose him, then why does the mormon church hold rituals to 'save' dead unbelievers?
Finn, we do not believe that any ritual will save unbelievers. Every individual must choose for himself what he wants to believe and whether he wants to repent of his sins. What we do is offer baptism by proxy for those who did not have the opportunity to receive it during their lifetimes, since we believe baptism is required of all human beings. If you would like a more in-depth answer, please read my posts #156 and #158 in the Are denominations in keeping with God's will? thread. Then, if you have further questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
Sorry, I guess I'm not following you. If the choice is to repent and accept Jesus Christ's sacrifice on your behalf or to not repent and reject His offer of grace, one choice negates the other. We're not talking about two choices that will ultimately result in the same thing -- in your example, being able to get safely out of the submerged building.
It has nothing to do with God's failure to do anything. It's just that I don't believe God will force anyone to make the right choice. The Bible speaks of one sin, which is said to be "unforgivable" -- either in this life or the next. I am assuming that out of the billions of people who have ever lived, a few will probably commit this sin. I can elaborate if you'd like me to. I can't possibly say for sure, but I believe it's entirely within the realm of reason.
Sin is debt. If you have a sin which God will not forgive then it only means you must pay the debt. Consider the parable of the unforgiving servant. That servant was to be tormented only UNTILL the debt was paid. Anything that has to do with ETERNAL Torment is just not scriptural.
I se you finally came to your senses and realized your error and that God is forcing...ie...creating robots for His glory. The core of your interpetive error. God doesn't force anyone....we surrender....freely.
Sciotamicks, your talking to the wrong person. I don't believe in co-savior theology. If I'm to be saved it is 100 percent His work. Now if I could claim that I must first come to Him before He would come to me then obviously God couldn't get 100 percent of the credit.
Finn, we do not believe that any ritual will save unbelievers. Every individual must choose for himself what he wants to believe and whether he wants to repent of his sins. What we do is offer baptism by proxy for those who did not have the opportunity to receive it during their lifetimes, since we believe baptism is required of all human beings. If you would like a more in-depth answer, please read my posts #156 and #158 in the Are denominations in keeping with God's will? thread. Then, if you have further questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
I worked in the same room with a mormon for several years and he already told me all about the ritual. Pretty creepy if you asked me.
What is it about christianity that it wants to Limit what He is able to do ?, Psalm 78 says it's rebellion
But they continued to sin against him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High.They spoke against God, saying, "Can God spread a table in the desert? Psalm 78 verse 17 and 19
I worked in the same room with a mormon for several years and he already told me all about the ritual. Pretty creepy if you asked me.
Why did you ask me the question if you already knew the answer?
Baptisms on behalf of the dead were practiced anciently. Paul certainly didn't find them to be "creepy." I can't imagine what you could possibly find "creepy" about them. Would you mind elaborating?
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