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Lie Number 1. What Jesus Offers is to Escape Hell That is like saying, Jesus offers you a way to not be punished. Doesn't that sound more like a threat than a gift? Well, it is a threat, and it is a lie. Jesus offers a gift to everyone far, far more than we can even imagine but Christendom has made the gospel and hope hollow, replacing it with lies. What Jesus is offering us in this life is to be rid of our sinful nature: to no longer be subject to rage, anger, lust, greed, pride, depression, drunkenness, immoral sexual desires, habitual bondages, lying, cheating, hating, etc.; and when we get rid of our selfish nature, God offers to replace it with his natureand the spirit ogf love, peace, joy, kindness, unity etc.
Lie Nuumber 2. To be saved is to be saved from going to Hell.
By grace you are saved but saved from what? Not Hell, but rather saved from your sins he shall save the people from their sins. Christendom would have you believe that Christ excuses you from all sin, so you can sin guilt-free. If Christ saves us from guilt, then he makes sin easier. If Christ makes sin easier, then he promotes sin. If he promotes sin, then Christ is evil. If he is evil, he is not Christ; therefore he does not save people from their guilt of sin; only the devil impersonating Christ saves people from the guilt of their sins.
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Lie Number 3. By believing in Jesus, you receive God's salvation by grace instantly.
Grace does not instantly save anyone. The real operation of grace is a teaching process of repentance from lusts, to being purified from sin, to godly living in purity, which leads to seeing Jesus bring your salvation at the end of the process of repentance and teaching. Here is the definition of grace by Paul from Titus 2:11-14:
Lie Number 4. The word of God is the scriptures In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god Scriptures cannot be the word, because God is the Word, Jesus is the Word.
Look how painful this scripture reads by substituting the Bible for the Word:
in the beginning was the bible and the bible was with god and the bible was god.
and the word was made flesh.
(Scriptures cannot be made into flesh, but Jesus was made into flesh).
Lie Number 5. Because I believe in Jesus, and I do not have to obey any law because the law is dead.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made free from the law of sin and death. What is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus? It is the law that the Spirit of life (the Spirit of Christ) writes in your heart, which are the commands you hear him speak to you; and with your obedience, the Lord writes them in your heart; this occurs one command at a time, which becomes one law at a time written in your heart, just like the Lord promised in Jeremiah:
Lie Number 6. I am saved by faith, and absolutely no works are required of me
Notice. Paul is speaking of works of the Law
Paul is speaking about works of the law that died: circumcision, food and drink, days, washings, Sabbaths, sacrifices, etc.
Paul is speaking about works of voluntary humility and those not prompted by God.
Works a man decides to do himself that are without the Spirit's direction, are dead works:
What are dead works? Dead works are works performed by men, who are dead to the life of God;
But there are works of life that God prompts a man to do, man having listened in silence and heard the lords speak to him; which works are essential. These are works of love for God and man, energized by faith, (hearing what the Lord prompts you to do.) It is works of love in faith that must be performed. Works without love count for nothing:
Lie Number 7. There is no need for you to carry a cross because Jesus did it all for you; bow to the cross or wear one to witness your faith.
Even before Jesus went to the cross himself, he told us that we must carry our cross to follow him or to be his disciple. He died a horrible death on the cross as an example to us — to show us the degree of obedience required to kill our sinful nature on the cross:
Lie Number 8 You will never be able to stop sinning while on the earth.
To stop on you own power is impossible. You must access the power of God, for him to destroy the sin in you this is the promise of god to us.. to become free of sin as we follow him.
It is quite profound that a God who loves us to the fullest extent would even contemplate sending any of his children to Hell.
You are right that God will not send his children to hell
And who are God's Children?
Romans 8:1-2 and 15-17 says who.
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death
And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." 16The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. 17Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ,
Lie Number 1. What Jesus Offers is to Escape Hell That is like saying, Jesus offers you a way to not be punished. Doesn't that sound more like a threat than a gift? Well, it is a threat, and it is a lie. Jesus offers a gift to everyone far, far more than we can even imagine but Christendom has made the gospel and hope hollow, replacing it with lies. What Jesus is offering us in this life is to be rid of our sinful nature: to no longer be subject to rage, anger, lust, greed, pride, depression, drunkenness, immoral sexual desires, habitual bondages, lying, cheating, hating, etc.; and when we get rid of our selfish nature, God offers to replace it with his natureand the spirit ogf love, peace, joy, kindness, unity etc.
Lie Nuumber 2. To be saved is to be saved from going to Hell.
By grace you are saved but saved from what? Not Hell, but rather saved from your sins he shall save the people from their sins. Christendom would have you believe that Christ excuses you from all sin, so you can sin guilt-free. If Christ saves us from guilt, then he makes sin easier. If Christ makes sin easier, then he promotes sin. If he promotes sin, then Christ is evil. If he is evil, he is not Christ; therefore he does not save people from their guilt of sin; only the devil impersonating Christ saves people from the guilt of their sins.
To the contrary. The wages of sin is death and that includes both physical and spiritual death. Spiritual death is separation from God in time, and if a person dies physically without having believed in Jesus Christ for salvation, that spiritual death continues for all eternity first in Hades and then finally in the lake of fire. (Luke 16:19-31; Revelation 20:10-16; Matthew 25:41,46).
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Lie Number 3. By believing in Jesus, you receive God's salvation by grace instantly.
Grace does not instantly save anyone. The real operation of grace is a teaching process of repentance from lusts, to being purified from sin, to godly living in purity, which leads to seeing Jesus bring your salvation at the end of the process of repentance and teaching. Here is the definition of grace by Paul from Titus 2:11-14:
Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone and is accomplished in a moment of time.
In not understanding this you show that you have no understanding of the difference between positional santification and experiential sanctification.
Here are a couple of resources which explain what sanctification is and what it means for the believer in Christ.
Lie Number 4. The word of God is the scriptures In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god Scriptures cannot be the word, because God is the Word, Jesus is the Word.
Look how painful this scripture reads by substituting the Bible for the Word:
in the beginning was the bible and the bible was with god and the bible was god.
and the word was made flesh.
(Scriptures cannot be made into flesh, but Jesus was made into flesh).
Lie Number 5. Because I believe in Jesus, and I do not have to obey any law because the law is dead.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made free from the law of sin and death. What is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus? It is the law that the Spirit of life (the Spirit of Christ) writes in your heart, which are the commands you hear him speak to you; and with your obedience, the Lord writes them in your heart; this occurs one command at a time, which becomes one law at a time written in your heart, just like the Lord promised in Jeremiah:
This was already explained to you in your other thread. The Bible is the word of God. Jesus is the Living Word and the Bible is the written word - God's message to man. It is not a difficult thing to understand. Simply refer to what I said in post #19 of your other thread. The link is below.
Lie Number 6. I am saved by faith, and absolutely no works are required of me
Notice. Paul is speaking of works of the Law
Paul is speaking about works of the law that died: circumcision, food and drink, days, washings, Sabbaths, sacrifices, etc.
Paul is speaking about works of voluntary humility and those not prompted by God.
Works a man decides to do himself that are without the Spirit's direction, are dead works:
What are dead works? Dead works are works performed by men, who are dead to the life of God;
But there are works of life that God prompts a man to do, man having listened in silence and heard the lords speak to him; which works are essential. These are works of love for God and man, energized by faith, (hearing what the Lord prompts you to do.) It is works of love in faith that must be performed. Works without love count for nothing:
To the contrary. Salvation is strictly a matter of faith in Christ. No works of human righteousness can save anyone. Salvation is completely dependent on the work of God. Not on any human works. (Isa 64:6; Titus 3:5; Eph 2:8-9)
John 6:28 'They said therefore to Him, ''What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?'' 29] Jesus answered and said to them, ''This is the work of God, that your believe in Him whom He has sent.''
Salvation is accomplished by simply believing in Jesus Christ for salvation.
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Lie Number 7. There is no need for you to carry a cross because Jesus did it all for you; bow to the cross or wear one to witness your faith.
Even before Jesus went to the cross himself, he told us that we must carry our cross to follow him or to be his disciple. He died a horrible death on the cross as an example to us — to show us the degree of obedience required to kill our sinful nature on the cross:
There is absolutely no requirement to carry a cross on your person. The believer is commanded to pick up his cross and follow Jesus. That however is a command to have your priorities straight by putting Christ first in your life and enduring the sufferings of this life that come your way.
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Lie Number 8 You will never be able to stop sinning while on the earth.
To stop on you own power is impossible. You must access the power of God, for him to destroy the sin in you this is the promise of god to us.. to become free of sin as we follow him.
To the contrary. The believer will continue to sin because he still has an old sin nature. The solution is to name your sins as per 1 John 1:9 to be restored to the filling of the Spirit. It is impossible not sin. At some point and fairly frequently, every believer sins.
Refer to the following link.
Doctrine of Rebound (http://jrcyouth.com/love1.htm - broken link)
Lie Number 1. What Jesus Offers is to Escape Hell That is like saying, Jesus offers you a way to not be punished. Doesn't that sound more like a threat than a gift? Well, it is a threat, and it is a lie. Jesus offers a gift to everyone far, far more than we can even imagine but Christendom has made the gospel and hope hollow, replacing it with lies. What Jesus is offering us in this life is to be rid of our sinful nature: to no longer be subject to rage, anger, lust, greed, pride, depression, drunkenness, immoral sexual desires, habitual bondages, lying, cheating, hating, etc.; and when we get rid of our selfish nature, God offers to replace it with his natureand the spirit ogf love, peace, joy, kindness, unity etc.
Lie Nuumber 2. To be saved is to be saved from going to Hell.
By grace you are saved but saved from what? Not Hell, but rather saved from your sins he shall save the people from their sins. Christendom would have you believe that Christ excuses you from all sin, so you can sin guilt-free. If Christ saves us from guilt, then he makes sin easier. If Christ makes sin easier, then he promotes sin. If he promotes sin, then Christ is evil. If he is evil, he is not Christ; therefore he does not save people from their guilt of sin; only the devil impersonating Christ saves people from the guilt of their sins.
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Lie Number 3. By believing in Jesus, you receive God's salvation by grace instantly.
Grace does not instantly save anyone. The real operation of grace is a teaching process of repentance from lusts, to being purified from sin, to godly living in purity, which leads to seeing Jesus bring your salvation at the end of the process of repentance and teaching. Here is the definition of grace by Paul from Titus 2:11-14:
Lie Number 4. The word of God is the scriptures In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god Scriptures cannot be the word, because God is the Word, Jesus is the Word.
Look how painful this scripture reads by substituting the Bible for the Word:
in the beginning was the bible and the bible was with god and the bible was god.
and the word was made flesh.
(Scriptures cannot be made into flesh, but Jesus was made into flesh).
Lie Number 5. Because I believe in Jesus, and I do not have to obey any law because the law is dead.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made free from the law of sin and death. What is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus? It is the law that the Spirit of life (the Spirit of Christ) writes in your heart, which are the commands you hear him speak to you; and with your obedience, the Lord writes them in your heart; this occurs one command at a time, which becomes one law at a time written in your heart, just like the Lord promised in Jeremiah:
Lie Number 6. I am saved by faith, and absolutely no works are required of me
Notice. Paul is speaking of works of the Law
Paul is speaking about works of the law that died: circumcision, food and drink, days, washings, Sabbaths, sacrifices, etc.
Paul is speaking about works of voluntary humility and those not prompted by God.
Works a man decides to do himself that are without the Spirit's direction, are dead works:
What are dead works? Dead works are works performed by men, who are dead to the life of God;
But there are works of life that God prompts a man to do, man having listened in silence and heard the lords speak to him; which works are essential. These are works of love for God and man, energized by faith, (hearing what the Lord prompts you to do.) It is works of love in faith that must be performed. Works without love count for nothing:
Lie Number 7. There is no need for you to carry a cross because Jesus did it all for you; bow to the cross or wear one to witness your faith.
Even before Jesus went to the cross himself, he told us that we must carry our cross to follow him or to be his disciple. He died a horrible death on the cross as an example to us — to show us the degree of obedience required to kill our sinful nature on the cross:
Lie Number 8 You will never be able to stop sinning while on the earth.
To stop on you own power is impossible. You must access the power of God, for him to destroy the sin in you this is the promise of god to us.. to become free of sin as we follow him.
Awesome post, lovethelight. I'm rather attracted to the light, myself.
Lie Number 1. What Jesus Offers is to Escape Hell That is like saying, Jesus offers you a way to not be punished. Doesn't that sound more like a threat than a gift? Well, it is a threat, and it is a lie. Jesus offers a gift to everyone far, far more than we can even imagine but Christendom has made the gospel and hope hollow, replacing it with lies. What Jesus is offering us in this life is to be rid of our sinful nature: to no longer be subject to rage, anger, lust, greed, pride, depression, drunkenness, immoral sexual desires, habitual bondages, lying, cheating, hating, etc.; and when we get rid of our selfish nature, God offers to replace it with his natureand the spirit ogf love, peace, joy, kindness, unity etc.
Lie Nuumber 2. To be saved is to be saved from going to Hell.
By grace you are saved but saved from what? Not Hell, but rather saved from your sins he shall save the people from their sins. Christendom would have you believe that Christ excuses you from all sin, so you can sin guilt-free. If Christ saves us from guilt, then he makes sin easier. If Christ makes sin easier, then he promotes sin. If he promotes sin, then Christ is evil. If he is evil, he is not Christ; therefore he does not save people from their guilt of sin; only the devil impersonating Christ saves people from the guilt of their sins.
]
Lie Number 3. By believing in Jesus, you receive God's salvation by grace instantly.
Grace does not instantly save anyone. The real operation of grace is a teaching process of repentance from lusts, to being purified from sin, to godly living in purity, which leads to seeing Jesus bring your salvation at the end of the process of repentance and teaching. Here is the definition of grace by Paul from Titus 2:11-14:
Lie Number 4. The word of God is the scriptures In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god Scriptures cannot be the word, because God is the Word, Jesus is the Word.
Look how painful this scripture reads by substituting the Bible for the Word:
in the beginning was the bible and the bible was with god and the bible was god.
and the word was made flesh.
(Scriptures cannot be made into flesh, but Jesus was made into flesh).
Lie Number 5. Because I believe in Jesus, and I do not have to obey any law because the law is dead.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made free from the law of sin and death. What is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus? It is the law that the Spirit of life (the Spirit of Christ) writes in your heart, which are the commands you hear him speak to you; and with your obedience, the Lord writes them in your heart; this occurs one command at a time, which becomes one law at a time written in your heart, just like the Lord promised in Jeremiah:
Lie Number 6. I am saved by faith, and absolutely no works are required of me
Notice. Paul is speaking of works of the Law
Paul is speaking about works of the law that died: circumcision, food and drink, days, washings, Sabbaths, sacrifices, etc.
Paul is speaking about works of voluntary humility and those not prompted by God.
Works a man decides to do himself that are without the Spirit's direction, are dead works:
What are dead works? Dead works are works performed by men, who are dead to the life of God;
But there are works of life that God prompts a man to do, man having listened in silence and heard the lords speak to him; which works are essential. These are works of love for God and man, energized by faith, (hearing what the Lord prompts you to do.) It is works of love in faith that must be performed. Works without love count for nothing:
Lie Number 7. There is no need for you to carry a cross because Jesus did it all for you; bow to the cross or wear one to witness your faith.
Even before Jesus went to the cross himself, he told us that we must carry our cross to follow him or to be his disciple. He died a horrible death on the cross as an example to us — to show us the degree of obedience required to kill our sinful nature on the cross:
Lie Number 8 You will never be able to stop sinning while on the earth.
To stop on you own power is impossible. You must access the power of God, for him to destroy the sin in you this is the promise of god to us.. to become free of sin as we follow him.
I agree with most of the OP ... However, i do not agree with #8. As i understand it we are still waiting in hope of the redemption of our bodies(Rom 8:23). So long as we exist in the mortal corruptible flesh, we will serve sin in that flesh, though in our hearts and minds we serve the law of God(Rom 7:25), which is the law of liberty, so that all things are lawful though all things are not expedient.
We are freed from our mental and emotional bonds to sin, being renewed and quickened by the spirit, though we are still susceptible to sin because of our corrupt flesh. In this world we still serve two masters, though we love the one and hate the other.
When we put on immortality and incorruptibility, we will finally be completely free of sin and death. For now we wait for the hope of righteousness which is to come.
Gal 5:5
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
To the contrary. The wages of sin is death and that includes both physical and spiritual death. Spiritual death is separation from God in time, and if a person dies physically without having believed in Jesus Christ for salvation, that spiritual death continues for all eternity first in Hades and then finally in the lake of fire. (Luke 16:19-31; Revelation 20:10-16; Matthew 25:41,46).
Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone and is accomplished in a moment of time.
In not understanding this you show that you have no understanding of the difference between positional santification and experiential sanctification.
Here are a couple of resources which explain what sanctification is and what it means for the believer in Christ.
This was already explained to you in your other thread. The Bible is the word of God. Jesus is the Living Word and the Bible is the written word - God's message to man. It is not a difficult thing to understand. Simply refer to what I said in post #19 of your other thread. The link is below.
To the contrary. Salvation is strictly a matter of faith in Christ. No works of human righteousness can save anyone. Salvation is completely dependent on the work of God. Not on any human works. (Isa 64:6; Titus 3:5; Eph 2:8-9)
John 6:28 'They said therefore to Him, ''What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?'' 29] Jesus answered and said to them, ''This is the work of God, that your believe in Him whom He has sent.''
Salvation is accomplished by simply believing in Jesus Christ for salvation.
There is absolutely no requirement to carry a cross on your person. The believer is commanded to pick up his cross and follow Jesus. That however is a command to have your priorities straight by putting Christ first in your life and enduring the sufferings of this life that come your way.
To the contrary. The believer will continue to sin because he still has an old sin nature. The solution is to name your sins as per 1 John 1:9 to be restored to the filling of the Spirit. It is impossible not sin. At some point and fairly frequently, every believer sins.
Refer to the following link.
Doctrine of Rebound (http://jrcyouth.com/love1.htm - broken link)
no offense to you but the light( jesus) is my resource, i trust in his words that are spoken to my heart and i trust that he will free my from my sins.
i will continue to wait on him and be taught by him, and i will share my experience to all who wish to listen..
i dont wish to offend or try to mislead anyone, just sharing.
peace
In theroy there can be many trick questians and answers that may or may not be honored in Heaven . You can call these ideas lies, but you should not call anyone a lier on this forum or the moderator will delete your message ..Be Blessed .....
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