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Old 09-24-2010, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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So abraham must be burning in hell forever ... Right?
Well, we know for sure that he was a polygamist, so he's obvious in Hell, right along with Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

Gosh, I guess that goes to show that God's prophets can actually be fallible human beings. Imagine that!
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Old 09-25-2010, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Italy
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It is the glory of God to be the savior of the world ... So God bound the world and all men therein to disobedience, that they should increase in trespasses, for were sin abounds, grace does much more abound to the glory of God.
Nicely written, Ironmaw!

Blessings,
brian
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Old 09-25-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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no it is not...where there is no law there is no sin...law brought sin...
Actually, the scriptures teach that sin was in the world before the law, but sin was not imputed before the law was given.
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Old 09-25-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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So abraham must be burning in hell forever ... Right?

All the prophets died as sinners because Jesus came after they died. Since they had faith, they were created with Jesus and us saints as the Word of God.

There is no hell. That's a pagan belief that came from Babylonia. Why would God create people to go to hell? Do you actually believe God is that stupid?
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Old 09-25-2010, 12:55 PM
 
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All the prophets died as sinners because Jesus came after they died. Since they had faith, they were created with Jesus and us saints as the Word of God.

There is no hell. That's a pagan belief that came from Babylonia. Why would God create people to go to hell? Do you actually believe God is that stupid?
I completely agree my friend. The question was posed to make a point.
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Old 09-25-2010, 12:59 PM
 
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Actually, the scriptures teach that sin was in the world before the law, but sin was not imputed before the law was given.
Everyone is born with genetic sins that only God can change through obedience to the gospel, which is the same thing as obeying the law and commandments.

The law has no meaning to sinners because they don't obey them anyway. That's why they're only to condemn the flesh to death. The death of Jesus made it possible for all God's people to be forgiven of their sins but sinners won't be forgiven until they are dead.

Only the saints were forgiven of their sins while they were still living because they had to preach the gospel to find each other and to speak prophesies for God. They were all killed by the Roman government so the gospel was stopped from being preached until two years ago.
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Old 09-25-2010, 01:04 PM
 
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Everyone is born with genetic sins that only God can change through obedience to the gospel, which is the same thing as obeying the law and commandments.

The law has no meaning to sinners because they don't obey them anyway. That's why they're only to condemn the flesh to death. The death of Jesus made it possible for all God's people to be forgiven of their sins but sinners won't be forgiven until they are dead.

Only the saints were forgiven of their sins while they were still living because they had to preach the gospel to find each other and to speak prophesies for God. They were all killed by the Roman government so the gospel was stopped from being preached until two years ago.

until 2 years ago? I don't understand what you mean ...
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Old 09-25-2010, 01:36 PM
 
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until 2 years ago? I don't understand what you mean ...

There's a prophecy in Amos 8: 11-12 that in the end times, there will be a famine of the word. He's not talking about the Bible.

Daniel also prophesies of a barren time when God won't be heard. That's a very difficult prophecy to interpret because only a saint can understand it.
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Old 09-25-2010, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Many adversely refrain from noticing or recognizing their own conscience, not producing any results; fruitless.
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Old 09-25-2010, 08:30 PM
 
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Many adversely refrain from noticing or recognizing their own conscience, not producing any results; fruitless.


Why don't you just come out and say what you want to say. That's being honest or can't you be honest?
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