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Even if they were unbelieving Christ-hating thieves and murderers?
So, you do think that judgementalism is the only sin that requires God's judgment?
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
I already told you what the verse means IMO, so I won't repeat it here.
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Even if they were unbelieving Christ-hating thieves and murderers?
As i said, i believe the point is that everyone judges, including unbelievers and murderers. It is a part of the sin nature to judge ourselves and others. We do something or notice someone else doing something that we disagree with or that we find distasteful and we naturally judge them in our minds by instinct. It is part of our survival instinct, rooted in the corrupt flesh that struggles with and is eventually overcome by death.
We agree to disagree on most things, so this should be no surprise ...
As i said, i believe the point is that everyone judges, including unbelievers and murderers. It is a part of the sin nature to judge ourselves and others. We do something or notice someone else doing something that we disagree with or that we find distasteful and we naturally judge them in our minds by instinct. It is part of our survival instinct, rooted in the corrupt flesh that struggles with and is eventually overcome by death.
We agree to disagree on most things, so this should be no surprise ...
Peace ...
So, you say everyone will be judged because they can't help but judge others. Doesn't that contradict your opening post?
I agree that everyone judges someone during the course of their lives, but when they accept Christ as their lord and saviour, that sin is wiped away, and they will not be judged for it.
So, you say everyone will be judged because they can't help but judge others. Doesn't that contradict your opening post?
Not necessarily ...
The point of the OP is to try and not to be judgmental of others, even if we feel inclined to do so. And if we must judge, temper our judgment with mercy and forgiveness, so that when we are judged ourselves by God, we will be shown mercy and we will be forgiven.
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I agree that everyone judges someone during the course of their lives, but when they accept Christ as their lord and saviour, that sin is wiped away, and they will not be judged for it.
Well, I never said judgment was a sin in and of itself. It is when one judges without mercy and is unable to forgive that judgment becomes condemnation and that is a sin of pride and hypocrisy.
The point of the OP is to try and not to be judgmental of others, even if we feel inclined to do so. And if we must judge, temper our judgment with mercy and forgiveness, so that when we are judged ourselves by God, we will be shown mercy and we will be forgiven.
That is the old works based message, but without faith, all works are meaningless.
That is the old works based message, but without faith, all works are meaningless.
Its not a works based message ... The fact is faith without works is dead. If you are given faith it will be evident by the way in which you treat others. If you truly have the faith of Christ, you will bear the fruits of the spirit. And one who bears the fruits of the spirit will be merciful and forgiving.
It is not our works, it is the work of Christ in us. So if it makes sense to you that being merciful and forgiving is the right thing to do, then it is evident that the spirit of God is working in you. As it is written ...
Phl 2:13
for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
The OP is to edify those who live their lives in grace. It is for the purpose of assuring them that it is enough that they are merciful and forgiving, because that is what God desires and if they are simply merciful and forgiving and do not condemn others, then they can rest assured that Christ is working in them in order to will and do his good pleasure, regardless of the moments of weakness we all experience when we back slide or fall into error ...
Its not a works based message ... The fact is faith without works is dead. If you are given faith it will be evident by the way in which you treat others. If you truly have the faith of Christ, you will bear the fruits of the spirit. And one who bears the fruits of the spirit will be merciful and forgiving.
It is not our works, it is the work of Christ in us. So if it makes sense to you that being merciful and forgiving is the right thing to do, then it is evident that the spirit of God is working in you...
Sure, but my point is simple: works without faith is meaningless. You keep stressing that works is impotants but you never mention faith. It makes it sound like you think that if there are works, then there must be faith, but that is not true. There are many nice people who do good works, but who have no faith. The works of an unbeliever are like filthy rags in God's eyes.
Sure, but my point is simple: works without faith is meaningless. You keep stressing that works is impotants but you never mention faith. It makes it sound like you think that if there are works, then there must be faith, but that is not true. There are many nice people who do good works, but who have no faith. The works of an unbeliever are like filthy rags in God's eyes.
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Judgement is good also. We judge righteous judgement all the time. We see the fruits of others and make judgements good and bad.
If we do judge with an evil eye it is wrong.
If we judge someone openly, we will be judged back. This is truth. God warned against evil judgement and also about judging openly.
We always judge whether it is mondane things in this life. Without judging what is good and what is bad for our lives we have no guidance and no direction.
We must take responsibility how we judge. We are not to be self righteous or pious. We must come from a humble heart and know that through the tender grace of God we are transformed to be like him. It is a gift , not of works lest any man should boast. We are all sinners and because of his mercy on us we are new in him.
Jesus said we must be careful to judge. We cannot see all and do not know all. We cannot judge by appearance only. We must have mercy and know we cannot do any good if not for love. Love and mercy is what is required of us to help others to overcome the destroyer.
Judgement is good also. We judge righteous judgement all the time. We see the fruits of others and make judgements good and bad.
If we do judge with an evil eye it is wrong.
If we judge someone openly, we will be judged back. This is truth. God warned against evil judgement and also about judging openly.
We always judge whether it is mondane things in this life. Without judging what is good and what is bad for our lives we have no guidance and no direction.
We must take responsibility how we judge. We are not to be self righteous or pious. We must come from a humble heart and know that through the tender grace of God we are transformed to be like him. It is a gift , not of works lest any man should boast. We are all sinners and because of his mercy on us we are new in him.
Jesus said we must be careful to judge. We cannot see all and do not know all. We cannot judge by appearance only. We must have mercy and know we cannot do any good if not for love. Love and mercy is what is required of us to help others to overcome the destroyer.
Exactly ...
Peace ...
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