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I view the first part of the book of Genesis as basically saying that God created everything. It should be noted that Genesis was written for the Hebrew mindset. We (westerners) are of the Greek mindset. By Greek I mean we follow the Greek way of thinking and looking at the world. We want precise answers, facts, figures order of occurrence and dates.
The Hebrew mindset is primarily interested in concepts, with facts and figures being secondary. What mattered to the Hebrews is that God created the Universe. The order and time of the events were not important to the Hebrew mind.
As I see it you run into problems applying Greek thinking to a Hebrew document. That is why the creation story does not make sense to the scientific mind. Of course we always must bear in mind that God is not limited to obey the laws of nature. So, if God wanted to create the universe in six, 24 hour days He could.
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Friend, "basically saying G-d created everything"...you may as well be drinking the milk from the cows teat. Genesis was not "written for the Hebrew mindset"...Genesis was written with a Hebrew mindset. We are not denying that the 24-hour calender day view is not without problems. Nevertheless, whether Hebrew minded or Greek minded, our accountability to this grand narrative of redemptive history (Genesis-Revelation) involves two crucial issues: the historicity of Adam and Eve, and the historicity of the Fall...
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned"
Romans 5:12
...holding to an old earth as well as to the historicity of Adam and Eve requires an arbitrary intervention of G-d into a process of billions of years of biological development in which He acts unilaterally to create Adam and Eve. This can only lead to redefining who Adam was...as if Adam was an existing hominid that G-d adopted in a way contrary to the plain text of Scripture, implanting His image on a Homo sapien already in existence. Theologically, this requires that the other Homo sapiens alive on the earth were not the image bearers of G-d...only a couple of neolithic farmers. That is not in any way possible, a legitimate exegetical reading of Genesis. Mr5150, you do not sound like someone attempting to defend the book of Genesis...we perceive that your goal is to defend the theory of evolution. Either you're in for a penny friend, or curse The One you made the agreement with. The Blessings of The Eternal One show your true
colors...
That makes no sense to me at all. I mean what evidence is there to support the idea of a young earth and why is it so important to people to think the earth is young?
Because the entire theology of the bible depends on a young earth. You see, if there existed any death before the fall of man, man's sin did not cause death.
Friend, "basically saying G-d created everything"...you may as well be drinking the milk from the cows teat. Genesis was not "written for the Hebrew mindset"...Genesis was written with a Hebrew mindset. We are not denying that the 24-hour calender day view is not without problems. Nevertheless, whether Hebrew minded or Greek minded, our accountability to this grand narrative of redemptive history (Genesis-Revelation) involves two crucial issues: the historicity of Adam and Eve, and the historicity of the Fall...
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned"
Romans 5:12
...holding to an old earth as well as to the historicity of Adam and Eve requires an arbitrary intervention of G-d into a process of billions of years of biological development in which He acts unilaterally to create Adam and Eve. This can only lead to redefining who Adam was...as if Adam was an existing hominid that G-d adopted in a way contrary to the plain text of Scripture, implanting His image on a Homo sapien already in existence. Theologically, this requires that the other Homo sapiens alive on the earth were not the image bearers of G-d...only a couple of neolithic farmers. That is not in any way possible, a legitimate exegetical reading of Genesis. Mr5150, you do not sound like someone attempting to defend the book of Genesis...we perceive that your goal is to defend the theory of evolution. Either you're in for a penny friend, or curse The One you made the agreement with. The Blessings of The Eternal One show your true
colors...
I find your YEC and literal beliefs so "out there" and "whackaloon" that I can't resist proposing an equally "whackaloon" possibility that would be consistent with science and your whackaloon scriptural beliefs. Our science reveals that everything that exists is made of star dust. How certain are you that the reference to "dust" is not that generic . . . and that everything that has not had a "living soul" breathed into it . . . is considered "dust?" If that is the case . . . then hominids and all the other creatures Adam named without "living souls" would be the soulless "dust" of the earth from which no decent partner for Adam was found. Similarly . . . a "rib" can be considered an offshoot species from Adam's hominid family tree. This would also eliminate all the confusion about who Cain married and where all the other folk came from. Just saying. If we are going to seriously entertain whackaloon literal beliefs . . .
Because the entire theology of the bible depends on a young earth. You see, if there existed any death before the fall of man, man's sin did not cause death.
Those fossil fuels are only 6K in the making.
And the moon is made of green cheese.
This concept is so completely off the scale of looney, as to be laughable, but then the realization that people that believe this are out there loose in society, voting, and raising children; a very scary realization.
I find your YEC and literal beliefs so "out there" and "whackaloon" that I can't resist proposing an equally "whackaloon" possibility that would be consistent with science and your whackaloon scriptural beliefs. Our science reveals that everything that exists is made of star dust. How certain are you that the reference to "dust" is not that generic . . . and that everything that has not had a "living soul" breathed into it . . . is considered "dust?" If that is the case . . . then hominids and all the other creatures Adam named without "living souls" would be the soulless "dust" of the earth from which no decent partner for Adam was found. Similarly . . . a "rib" can be considered an offshoot species from Adam's hominid family tree. This would also eliminate all the confusion about who Cain married and where all the other folk came from. Just saying. If we are going to seriously entertain whackaloon literal beliefs . . .
We understand your skepticism...however, and apparently, consistency is not a subject you've earned a PhD in. You have more than demonstrated your double-mindedness. You sound like a member of the Baha'i "faith"...a kind of religious unified field theory from Iran...it's all good. The Blessings of The Eternal One sweep the star dust from your mind......until then you have the right to argue that evolution is the final nail in the coffin of theism, and that the "assured findings and conclusions of modern science make not only the book of Genesis, but also theism, untenable. Nevertheless, with theological criticism you only seek to cast doubts on the authorship of the old Testament books viewing them as merely human documents. But keep scratching your head in incredulity that after 150 years of the Darwinist revolution, most believers in The Doctrine of Christ Resurrected still reject the theory of evolution.
This concept is so completely off the scale of looney, as to be laughable, but then the realization that people that believe this are out there loose in society, voting, and raising children; a very scary realization.
...keep laughing. You have that constitutional right. However, what should scare you is not the number of alleged stupid people you are surrounded by...rather, the number of muslim people you will soon be surrounded by. If you're in for a penny contending for the faith that was handed down from Yeshua Messiac Himself, it would be mindful of you to start planting the seed The Son of Adam payed you to plant because the rain is coming, and that right quickly. The Blessings of The Eternal One reign His mercy upon you...
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I view the first part of the book of Genesis as basically saying that God created everything. It should be noted that Genesis was written for the Hebrew mindset. We (westerners) are of the Greek mindset. By Greek I mean we follow the Greek way of thinking and looking at the world. We want precise answers, facts, figures order of occurrence and dates.
The Hebrew mindset is primarily interested in concepts, with facts and figures being secondary. What mattered to the Hebrews is that God created the Universe. The order and time of the events were not important to the Hebrew mind.
As I see it you run into problems applying Greek thinking to a Hebrew document. That is why the creation story does not make sense to the scientific mind. Of course we always must bear in mind that God is not limited to obey the laws of nature. So, if God wanted to create the universe in six, 24 hour days He could.
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Got my little ditty in Word as this subject comes up so oftem
Indeed for me it wasn't that six 24 hour days was too long, but they were too short!
The Universe looks young! So, why would God create a Universe that looks young and matches his historical reccord in the bible?
The Universe maybe 94 billion light years across, but who says that that is associated to 46.5 billion years? A light year is a distance, not a measure of time. So, it is the presupposition of the individual that will dictate how they interpret this distance.
This gentleman appears to be reasonable and appealing to the reasonable minded, but he is also undermining the scripture he is thinking he is defending. Where is the overwelming evidence that he is claiming? Sounds like he bought into the evolution story, hook, line and sinker without an understanding of science. Science does not self regualate. In a eutopia it would, but in reality it does not. And to understand why scientist would hold to evolution and an old earth theory could be simply determined if one were to look at their checkbooks.
Evolution is the process of removing absolutes. People are fooling themselves if they say they're a Christian who believes in evolution, you're one or the other. Evolutionists are calling God a liar, it's that simple.
Colossians 1:16 "For by him [Jesus] all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."
Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
Isaiah 42:5 This is what God the LORD says— he who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it:
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