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My main point is that aionios in context with mans life can imply that something is temporary and in context with Gods life can imply that it is never ending or always has been.
One needs to provide definitive scriptures in order to prove your points above.
So are you saying God isnt eternal?
Or eternal life isn't eternal?
Or Jesus isn't eternal?
All those idotic translators got it wrong,,,bah.
WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR POINT,,, OH WISE ONE????
There is no verse in the Bible that says God is eternal.
There is no verse in the Bible that says the life we get is eternal.
There is no verse in the Bible that says Jesus is eternal.
The only way we know we get what one could call "eternal" in "eternal life" is in the word "immortality." When we put on immortality our life will not end. That is as close as we can come to eternal life.
We take it for granted that God and Christ are eternal. One Who confers immortality on humans must Himself have life that won't end.
There is no verse in the Bible that says God is eternal.
There is no verse in the Bible that says the life we get is eternal.
There is no verse in the Bible that says Jesus is eternal.
The only way we know we get what one could call "eternal" in "eternal life" is in the word "immortality." When we put on immortality our life will not end. That is as close as we can come to eternal life.
We take it for granted that God and Christ are eternal. One Who confers immortality on humans must Himself have life that won't end.
There is no verse in the Bible that says the life we get is eternal?
In John 11:26 Jesus tells us. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me (SHALL NEVER DIE).
Maybe you should check out your Bible again Eusebius.
There is no verse in the Bible that says the life we get is eternal?
In John 11:26 Jesus tells us. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me (SHALL NEVER DIE).
Maybe you should check out your Bible again Eusebius.
I have seen the burden God has laid on the human race. He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the humanheart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
Ecclesiastes 3:11
I appreciate that there are translations that use the word "world" instead of eternity in this verse.
There is no verse in the Bible that says God is eternal.
There is no verse in the Bible that says the life we get is eternal.
There is no verse in the Bible that says Jesus is eternal.
The only way we know we get what one could call "eternal" in "eternal life" is in the word "immortality." When we put on immortality our life will not end. That is as close as we can come to eternal life.
We take it for granted that God and Christ are eternal. One Who confers immortality on humans must Himself have life that won't end.
To the contrary!!!
Eternal life:
Deut 33:27 '"The eternal [qe·ḏem,] God is a dwelling place, And underneath are the everlasting arms; And He drove out the enemy from before you, And said, 'Destroy!'
Of God the Father: 1 John 1:2 'and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal [aiōnion ] life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us.
Of God the Son and of the believer: 1 John 5:11 'And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal [aiōnion] life, and this life is in His Son.
Of the believer: 1 John 5:13 'These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have [Present Active Indicative] eternal [aiōnion ] life.
God the Father does not have age-during life, He has eternal life. Jesus Christ is God and therefore has eternal life. The believer receives the life of the Father and shares the life of Jesus Christ and therefore has eternal life. Since the believer received this eternal life at the moment he believed in Christ it is sometimes technically called everlasting life.
The believer has eternal life now in his soul [the real person]. And when his body is resurrected in the future, it will be immortal.
The human spirit and soul of the believer go immediately into the presence of God at the moment of physical death [2 Cor 5:8].
Last edited by Michael Way; 03-11-2011 at 12:21 AM..
There is no verse in the Bible that says the life we get is eternal?
In John 11:26 Jesus tells us. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me (SHALL NEVER DIE).
Maybe you should check out your Bible again Eusebius.
Like I said, there is no verse in the Bible that says we get """""ETERNAL LIFE""""". I said we will put on immortality. That means we never die. That is the closest we can come to knowing we have eternal life.
Maybe you should check to see exactly what I said.
Deut 33:27 '"The eternal [qe·ḏem,] God is a dwelling place, And underneath are the everlasting arms; And He drove out the enemy from before you, And said, 'Destroy!'
Of God the Father: 1 John 1:2 'and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal [aiōnion ] life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us.
Of God the Son and of the believer: 1 John 5:11 'And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal [aiōnion] life, and this life is in His Son.
Of the believer: 1 John 5:13 'These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have [Present Active Indicative] eternal [aiōnion ] life.
God the Father does not have age-during life, He has eternal life.
I never said "God has age-during life" now did I? No, I did not. The Bible does not say God has age-dur8ing life.
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Jesus Christ is God and therefore has eternal life.
Jesus Christ is not the God of Jesus Christ. Try to learn something for once.
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The believer receives the life of the Father and shares the life of Jesus Christ and therefore has eternal life.
We get immortality AND we will also get eonian life which is the life pertaining to the eons. When the eons end, and the bible says they will, we will continue to live because we have immortality. The immortal life is what one could call "eternal" life. The Bible just never calls it that.
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Since the believer received this eternal life at the moment he believed in Christ it is sometimes technically called everlasting life.
The believer puts on immortality when resurrected. He is not in possession of immortality at the time he believes otherwise he would not need resurrected out of death. He has the promise of immortality.
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The believer has eternal life now in his soul [the real person]. And when his body is resurrected in the future, it will be immortal.
The human spirit and soul of the believer go immediately into the presence of God at the moment of physical death [2 Cor 5:8].
I'm sure your paganism mixed with christianity will get you plenty of friends but it does not honor God nor His Son.
Like I said, There is no verse in the Bible that says "God is eternal." At least not in any properly translated Bible there is none.
Here are the verses you posted above in a better translation:
Deu 33:27 the habitation of Elohim aforetime[qe·ḏem,]. And beneath are the arms eonian. He shall drive out the enemy from your presence and shall say:Exterminate him!
The life pertaining to the eons of the believer:
1Jn 1:2 And the life was manifested, and we have seen and are testifying and reporting to you the life eonian which was toward the Father and was manifested to us."
1Jn 5:11 And this is the testimony, that God gives us life eonian, and this life is in His Son."
1Jn 5:13 These things I write to you that you who are believing in the name of the son of God may be perceiving that you have life eonian.
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