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Old 04-27-2011, 06:43 PM
 
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I was reading and I saw that the description of the devil and the antichrist is the same in may ways, both dragons with seven heads and ten horns, both were and are not and yet are, and then it says the antichrist comes from the bottless pit, could the devil and the anti christ be the same and be on earth some how now?

At the rapture the Holy Spirit and the chruch leave, the antichrist then is revealed so he has been alive on the planet for some time, so how does this work, he has all the power of the devil and he lies to those who do not have a love of the truth.

When he is described what he does act a God himself and takes over, it is like the devil the first time when he tried to take over heaven and fight God himself, is it possible, the two are really the same?

I was thinking that the devil has the crowns on his heads, seven world powers, but the anti christ has the crowns on his horns, the ten current world powers? How does all this work, the antichrist gets world power and lies to the world with out them knowing thru craft and takes over lands and things, this must be going on before the Holy Spirit leaves with the church and maybe the tribulation starts?
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Old 04-27-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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Several points:
  • The anti-christ is not the devil.
  • The anti-christ is one of the agents the devil uses to lure many away from God
  • The word "anti" does not mean against christ, instead it means instead of christ.
If you notice, the anti-christ sets himself up in God's temple. 2 Thessalonians 2:4
  • Being he sets himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be God..... that means he comes from within Christianity.
  • That means the anti-christ is a religious figure ... not political.
Being that the anti-christ is spoken about being in exisitance at the time of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and continuing till the return of Christ....then the anti-christ is not a person, but a figurative.

Just as many people call inanimate objects like boats, cars, planes as "she"... so to the anti-christ. As said before, being the anti-christ is mentioned being around since Thessalonians till the Lord's return, the term "he" (the anti-christ) represents the message and position that promotes something that is instead of Christ....not a person.




Two things meat that criteria:
  • the office of the pope
  • the message of faith and works
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The other incorrect (but popular today) is the incorrect teaching of the millennialism.

Millennialism is the practice of predicting the end of the world. When 1 Thessalonians 4:17 occurs (the rapture) and if does not happen at the same time as when the world, time and the universe literally stops exisiting....then anybody can from that time on put some forumla together and predict the end of the world.

Second, there is not two second comings of Christ. Scripture compares the end to like the Great flood.....there was only 1 world wide flood.

Third, Jesus says that all will see him, and the dead will come out of there tombs. No milliniumist has yet explain where there are two ressurections from the dead.
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Old 04-27-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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So given the antichrist is from Rome and does not like women in Daniel Ch11 and it says he is a man, as the devil is also called that at times, and both the son of perdition, are you saying the antichist is not a person, but just something else, and how is it that they are both described the same, and that he comes up from the pit, he sits in the temple, so he must be a person tooo some how given he comes from Rome, and it says he opposes all that is God and lies to everyone, he gets power and then Jesus puts him and the false prophet alive into the lake of fire, before the 1000 year reign of Christ? clearly they are described as two, but then they are described like the same, like he was, is not, and then is, both the devil and antichrist are described the same sometimes. And given he claims to be God then he would be against and in place of, is it possible that the devil could have been born and become a human being?
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:13 PM
 
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Being that the anti-christ is spoken about being in exisitance at the time of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and continuing till the return of Christ....then the anti-christ is not a person, but a figurative.

Just as many people call inanimate objects like boats, cars, planes as "she"... so to the anti-christ. As said before, being the anti-christ is mentioned being around since Thessalonians till the Lord's return, the term "he" (the anti-christ) represents the message and position that promotes something that is instead of Christ....not a person.
I am utterly astounded that you can understand this . . . and NOT recognize that mainstream Christianity has indeed done this very thing . . promote the ignorant beliefs about Jehovah instead of Christ and His unambiguous example and message of love. What is worse . . . by merging them (AS IF that could ever make sense) . . . they destroy the purity of Christ's message with the ignorant beliefs about Jehovah.
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Old 12-08-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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You are exactly correct, They are the same. The devil is all three...satan, the false prophet in revelations and the anti Christ. You must realize that anti Christ is the opposite of Jesus, (And jesus is god) so its also the opposite of god himself. So who is the opposite of god? The devil. God came in human form as jesus, just the opposite Satan came in human form. As the false prophet and the anti Christ and he currently controls an entire religion here on earth.
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Old 12-08-2015, 01:43 PM
 
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I was reading and I saw that the description of the devil and the antichrist is the same in may ways, both dragons with seven heads and ten horns, both were and are not and yet are, and then it says the antichrist comes from the bottless pit, could the devil and the anti christ be the same and be on earth some how now?

At the rapture the Holy Spirit and the chruch leave, the antichrist then is revealed so he has been alive on the planet for some time, so how does this work, he has all the power of the devil and he lies to those who do not have a love of the truth.

When he is described what he does act a God himself and takes over, it is like the devil the first time when he tried to take over heaven and fight God himself, is it possible, the two are really the same?

I was thinking that the devil has the crowns on his heads, seven world powers, but the anti christ has the crowns on his horns, the ten current world powers? How does all this work, the antichrist gets world power and lies to the world with out them knowing thru craft and takes over lands and things, this must be going on before the Holy Spirit leaves with the church and maybe the tribulation starts?

Antiochus Epiphanies was the Anti Christ of Daniel and his job is to do away with the laws, traditions, rituals and Holy days of God. Antiochus was the Anti-Christ because he sought to change the times and seasons{feast days}. He came to do away with the law of God and this is why he is called, '' The lawless one.''


Christianity began with the 7 feasts of Christ and Paul tells us that we have no fear of Jesus coming to us like a thief in the night because Paul taught them the Holy days of Christ and so they couldn't be taken by surprise, but now those Holy days are lost to Christianity and they will not receive the promised warning If they will not watch. Anti Christ does not want you knowing the appointed visitation days of your God and so it seeks to change the laws, the Sabbaths, and feast days to take away all the knowledge of Christ so that we cannot prepare. Imagine the disciples not counting the omer in the upper room in order to receive the promise. They were warned with a promised warning as Jesus came to them and instructed them to continue counting the omer and staying prepared right up until the very hour the promise was given and this shows us that we do have appointed times when God is closer to us than any other time, and we are instructed on how to receive the greatest promises ever given to mankind by praying for the rain of Sukkot during the birth of Christ on Tishri 15. We are instructed to be prepared on the 8th day of Sukkot but antichrist would not want you to know these things.




Here is what Daniel's antichrist did.





ANTIOCHUS IV


Let it be forbidden to keep the weekly Sabbath.
Let it be forbidden to celebrate any feast of God.
Let it be forbidden to circumcise any child.


1 Maccabees 1:57: And whosoever was found with any the book of the testament, or if any committed to the law, the king's commandment was, that they should put him to death.
1 Maccabees 1:41 Moreover king Antiochus wrote to his whole kingdom, that all should be one people,
1 Maccabees 1:42 And every one should leave his laws: so all the heathen agreed according to the commandment of the king.
1 Maccabees 1:43 Yea, many also of the Israelites consented to his religion, and sacrificed unto idols, and profaned the sabbath.
1 Maccabees 1:44 For the king had sent letters by messengers unto Jerusalem and the cities of Juda that they should follow the strange laws of the land
1 Maccabees 1:45 And forbid burnt offerings, and sacrifice, and drink offerings, in the temple; and that they should PROFANE the SABBATHS and FESTIVAL DAYS:
1 Maccabees 1:46 And pollutethe sanctuary and holy people:
1 Maccabees 1:47 Set up altars, and groves, and chapels of idols, and sacrifice swine's flesh, and UNCLEAN beasts
1 Maccabees 1:48 That they should also leave their CHILDREN UNCIRCUMCISED, and make their souls abominable with all manner of uncleanness and profanation:
1 Maccabees 1:60 At which time according to the commandment they PUT to DEATH certain WOMEN, that had CAUSED their CHILDREN to be CIRCUMCISED.
1 Maccabees 1:61 And they hanged the infants about their necks, and rifled their houses, and slew them that had circumcised them.
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Old 12-08-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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Even if somebody refuses to stop doing Pagan Holy days, let them seek the knowledge of Christ in truth and in spirit on the days we are instructed to do so. It's not about keeping a certain day, but the feasts of Christ are lifestyles and goals to walk in. Does anyone really want a double portion of Holy spirit that is twice as strong as the first disciples received?


Then let him remember Sukkot and let him pray for the rain of Shemini Atzereth because this is more important than anything you will ever do.
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Old 12-08-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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The abyss is inside you.
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Old 12-08-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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Matthew 23


But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments.




These phylacteries are worn by Jews as they wrap their arm and mark their foreheads through thousands of years of tradition of marking one's right arm and forehead. This marking of one's forehead and right arm was practiced for one sole reason, centuries and centuries of tradition that Lead the book of Revelation to talk about it.


On Rosh Hashanah THIS YEAR, your name is going to be spoken and on Yom Kippur, your name will be written in one of the books. If you are God's then he is going to symbolically mark you in your forehead and right hand just as he does every single year.


Jesus IS GOING TO SPEAK YOUR NAME THIS YEAR.


God's Promise is Certain~Hebrews
19This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil, 20where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.


Do you have God's sure promise that you will be one of the one's sealed this year, and next year as decisions will be made upon you? Rosh Hashanah will come and you will be put in your place, your name spoken and written down and you yourself sealed for the coming year and Jesus is in heaven officiating as a priest in your behalf.




Those Jews who marked themselves on their forehead and right arm were doing something that they had no power to do because God marks all his people in their forehead and right hands and it is God's decision to mark the forehead and right hand and his decision alone.


HOW do you receive the seal of God that will protect you?


Here is your sure promise and the reason Jews marked themselves, and the same reason Revelation shows people being marked by what holy days they keep.


Exodus 13


7Eat unleavened bread during those seven days; nothing with yeast in it is to be seen among you, nor shall any yeast be seen anywhere within your borders. 8On that day tell your son, ‘I do this because of what the Lord did for me when I came out of Egypt.’ 9This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that this law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand. 10You must keep this ordinance at the appointed time year after year.




Revelation wants you to find the 666 and where you find the 666, you will also find the name of the Babylonian Messiah, the first supposed Messiah that the whole world worshipped before Jesus. Nimrod had died and his mother got pregnant and claimed Nimrod was reborn in this new Baby and so he took on the name,'' Tammuz.'' The first supposed resurrected man.


Revelation is pointing you to the Babylonian Messiah, and the name of the Babylonian Messiah will never change.




Ezekiel 8 and Ezekiel 9 begin to show a day that has never happened yet. A day when judgment begins at the house of God, right at it's sanctuary. Ezekiel 8 begins the 5th day in the 6th month in the 6 year after the exile, and it begins leading to God's last sacrifice to the birds where kings and paupers, children, maidens, old men, young men and everyone who does not have the seal of God in their forehead dies.




The date changes in the eve, at the sacrifice, not at midnight, the date changes at 6 pm.




So Revelation has led you to the 6th hour, in the 6th day, in the 6th month, in the 6th year when judgment begins at the sanctuary of God and all those who do not have the seal die on 666.


Revelation has led you to the name of the Babylonian Messiah which will always be,'' Tammuz,'' and where you find the name of the Babylonian Messiah Revelation is teaching of, you find that the biggest death of all history when God has just judged the entire world and anyone not having the mark are killed. This doesn't mean they go to hell or anything of the such, it just means a mass death, a global death occurs all over the world.


That death comes to anyone who does not have God's seal in his forehead and right hand and there is only one way to obtain this seal of protection.
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Old 12-08-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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The Temple is trying to teach you who the antichrist is, when you, and if you can walk into the Temple past the two towers that are the legs of the temple, within those towers you see your image only that your left eye has become your right eye, and your right hand become your left and so you see him, the lawless one. There was already concepts of the lawless one being within all people when it was written about but many idioms and concepts have been lost or should I say, are mostly unheard of.




Revelation 11:7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the ...
Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from
the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. ...

Try and consider that Revelation is written to every single generation and the walk of these two witnesses are just showing a person how he has to walk himself.

You are body, soul, and spirit and there is a struggle going on inside you where you will do things that you know you shouldn't do, and you are in the middle of the two having two minds.

1 John 5
6This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7For there are three that testify: 8the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.




Notice how Jesus came as 3 and how we are also of 3 in the water, in the blood, and in the spirit and whatever we have done, we have agreed by the 3 to do a thing. Notice how the word ,'' TESTIFY,'' is used because a witness IS a Testament, one who testifies is a witness.


If God gives his two witnesses power, then one is of flesh and begins to do as Elijah had done, and as the disciples tried to do in calling fire down from heaven and bringing calamity. But Elijah failed and a new man had to take his place as we can also become new men. If God gives his two witnesses power then the flesh becomes vain in your walk until you can die to your vanity and instead of bringing judgment, you will seek to teach the sons of the prophets like Elisha did. Elisha would be a caring priest who is patient like Moses who would stand between God and the people instead of calling fire down from heaven.


Remember when the disciples asked Jesus,'' Shall we call fire down on the heads of these people Lord?''




Jesus replied telling them by what spirit they spoke, they spoke from the spirit of their father Satan because he is the vain prophet isn't he?




I think Revelation is to you Personally, and the battle of the antichrist takes place within a person, and YOU ARE the two witnesses.
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