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Love conquers all.
Wide road that leads to destruction.
Narrow road that leads to life.
What is seen is temporary, what is unseen is eternal.
Life everlasting.
Eternal.
"especially those who beleive"
Darkness is somewhat of an illusion.
Non-love ONLY exists in this temporary SEEN realm, while LOVE exists in BOTH this temporary seen realm and the unseen ETERNAL realm.
BECAUSE Love conquers ALL. Which means that Non-Love is what is on the wide path to destruction. Non-love is being destroyed.
Non-love (which some call evil/sin/darkness) is actually an illusion, it is not real in the sense that LOVE is real. Because it dissipates so readily from existence from conquering presence of LOVE. It is illusion.
Just like a dream at night is an illusion...
While we are sleeping we can't know that we are in a dream.
Just like in this life we cannot know that non-love is actually perhaps an illusion.
I'm not saying that it is not REAL to us right now, that we don't suffer, etc. I'm not saying that. But this is the TEMPORARY realm. Perhaps this life will, in a strange way, be as like a dream. Perhaps when we die, it will be like awakening... We will have gained the knowledge but will realize that non-love WAS like a shadow... when whatever is BLOCKING the sun is removed, the shadow dissipates into nothingness. It is not real.
We are real. Our lives are real. But the non-love is part of the temporary realm and does not follow us into the eternal realm. The thing that was blocking the light, and bringing the shadow (non-love) into existence will be removed....and the non-love will dissipate into nothingness where it belongs. That within each of us that is NON-LOVE is on that WIDE path to destruction which exists in this temporary realm, this temporary climbing around in the tree of knowledge of good and evil, while that which is within us that is LOVE stays on that path that leads to life.. the path that exists in this temporary realm and leads right INTO the eternal realm. Love does not DIE. LOVE NEVER ENDS.
Anyone have anything to add or discuss or tear apart with me? Like I said I am just thinking aloud here. This may seem seem a bit convoluted right now, but just pondering and looking at some pieces that seem to tie in together, a big picture.
peace,
sparrow
Nonlove is a temporary seperation because we have forgotten who we are. When we return to the Love that we are, the illusion is gone but we must take steps to reconnect to who we are.
When we were created, we experienced the spirit world. We wanted to add to that the experience of the material. As we go through this life, most of us forgot where we came from and let life become the real and let go of the Love. This created darkness. Most people live in that darkness because they have forgotten how to love.
As we build on the Love that we are, we lose the fear, anger, unforgiveness, hatred and all that is negative because Love is who we are. We build up the light that is our birthright from our Father. Just BEING love is the best way to get back to the Love that we are. Just BE. No thoughts, no action. Just as a child who looks at life through innocent perception. They don't think twice about something because they are always in the moment and not behind or ahead. Just BEING.
Oh please, Finn, you know full well that sparrow has a different understanding than you of what, precisely, is on that road to destruction ... In a nutshell, she believes sin/evil, death, etc., in ALL people will be destroyed and overcome by the power of God's love.
Okay, your turn. Do you believe sin will exist forever?
The point of the op is to say that sin and evil are temporary and will dissipate in presence of love. That message makes Satan and his minion high-five, because they know it is a lie. They know the wide road leads to a place which is away from the presence of God and completely void of love.
The point of the op is to say that sin and evil are temporary and will dissipate in presence of love. That message makes Satan and his minion high-five, because they know it is a lie. They know the wide road leads to a place which is away from the presence of God and completely void of love.
Sin is an illusion? Evil is temporary? I can see Satan and his minions high-fiveing when they read threads like this. They tell him "You got 'em Luci, you got 'em good. Muaaa-ha-ha-ha-haaa". Someone mentioned the narrow and the wide roads. Where did the wide road lead to again?
Well, here's another one for you to ponder... there is no such entity as Satan.
"The hells are places of darkness and sufferings, but in them are no fires or brimstone, etc., as have been so commonly represented by the preachers and teachers of the orthodox churches, because there is nothing therein that would feed fires or that fires could affect. And there are no devils or Satan, though there are evil spirits of men who are more wicked and vicious and horrifying than have ever been pictured of the devil and his angels."
Hell and the Duration of Punishment (http://tinyurl.com/3jak8lt - broken link)
One thing about God... He is very loving and forgiving and as I posted above, eventually, there will be no one in hell because all will seek for forgiveness and learn about the love of God. And for this, we should be very thankful.
Thanks .sparrrow for your thoughtful response. When you say "the suffering and pain will dissipate"... well, this is true, but it doesn't do this on it's own, but rather it takes an effort on our part to make it go away and that is by forgiveness, which brings forgetfulness of our memories of all things sinful.
Well, I never said that it dissipates on it's own. The power of love, and starting to experience just what LOVE is... is what will be dissipating (eventually) the pain and suffering. I think it is about love, and everything that is part of love. Forgiveness is one aspect. (An absolutely crucial aspect!) The forgetfulness of our memories of those things that stemmed from non-love will no longer come to mind because we will not NEED them to. The big picture of what non-love has destroyed in this realm and how love conquered, within our own personal existence here and our existence as a WHOLE is where the REAL learning will come in. I do not think it is some long drawn out process, (perhaps it is, I have no idea) but I definitely do not believe there will be souls wondering around in darkness.
Being immersed in LOVE and seeing the big picture, all of the consequences, all of the things that non-love has "messed up", all the ways it has trickled down and affected each and everyone of us in the smallest most minute ways and the larger scale things in this temporary realm is to me, the "lake of fire" in a sense. Love is teaching us and will continue to teach us in much more intense ways.
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As spirits, in our memories are recorded all the thoughts and deeds of this earth life that are not in accord with the harmony of God's Will. And there is a penalty to be paid for this inharmony as it deals with the Laws of Cause and Effect. You might be surprised that some spirits in darkness (hell) are there for many, many years because they feel they are doomed and they don't know anything about forgiveness.
I fully reject this. I know you believe it and I won't argue you with you. I'm just giving my thoughts. This is not love in action. There is no need, no need whatsoever for "spirits in darkness". Not to mention them being that way for many years. That makes zero sense to me and does not go along with my view of love or why we are here, at all. God would not allow that, in my eyes. When confronted with love, every knee will bow. Because it will be like a law of nature... we will have found what we were looking for our whole lives. Love LONGS to embrace it's children and LOVE would not allow it's child to continue to be steeped in darkness roaming around lost, once it has exited this temporary realm. This temporary realm is necessary for laying the foundation of what we are to learn. This is just my view, I realize it clashes with yours and that's ok. I know that probably neither one of us are trying to convince each other of anything...we're just stating our beliefs.
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We know about the Law of Cause and Effect, because it operates here, too... whatever you sow, so shall ye reap. For those of us who have a conscious, this is especially apparent.
Yes, it is true that as spirits, we continue to learn and you might be surprised to know that there are universities there, too, which offer courses in different subjects, especially, about spiritual things. And they also have words and objects there, which we don't have on earth. But we can learn as much about spiritual knowledge now that is available, because of spirit communications. And for me, I want to know where I'm going and what I'm going to be doing when it's my turn to make the big move over there.
Hmmm. Well, not much of this really aligns with my view, I guess, so I don't have much to comment on.
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Again, this is from spirit communications of the highest source... Jesus and his disciples and many Celestial Spirits. This is Jesus' true teachings as he follows God's Will, that all of God's children on earth and in the spirit world be made aware that the privilege of receiving God's Divine Love is available now... but one day it won't be as it is God's intent to withdraw this most awesome gift. Blessings.
I understand that you believe this and won't debate, but I do not really believe in this. I am a Doubting Thomas. Even if it happened to me, I would still wonder if these spirits I was communicating with were real, a figment of my imagination, or maybe something else. I'm not saying you are lying or are delusional. I'm just saying that I do not personally believe in this sort of thing.
As far as how great this privelege of receiving God's love and one day it will be withdrawn, I think that is an absolutely horrific belief. I had no idea you beleived that based on your other posts. How can you think that God's love will be withdrawn??? That is nonsensical to me and would be what NON-love does, NOT love. I was really surprised to see that you believed this. Actually, I'm still wondering if perhaps I have read you wrong?? But I've gone back and read it several times and can't get any other meanings out of that.
I guess "Satan and his minions" are high-fiving when you imply that sin and evil will exist forever, too.
You are free to guess anything you want. I do not think they high-five about it since they know they will be in the place of eternal torment too.
Again, the wide road leads to a place which is away from the presence of God and completely void of love, and therefore the claims made in op, which you seem to support, are false.
I'll be interested to hear you expand on this, sparrow.
I've read your o.p. several times and while I appreciate how you've furthered your analogy of the shadow idea and can find much to agree with, that there would be an ongoing conscious existence after death still doesn't make much sense to me. At the moments when I'm most convinced a God actually exists , I still think that if we "go on" after death it is likely that we are each simply "absorbed" into that God but won't be aware of it... So while I agree that all the non-love will be obliterated, I guess I think that means we will, in essence, be obliterated as well. (Not trying to convince you or anyone else of that, it's just my thoughts at the moment and what makes the most sense to me.)
However, because I freely admit that I have absolutely no clue what really happens, lol, I'm always curious to hear other people's thoughts. And you have intrigued me with the idea that the "vagueness" of details about an afterlife is in some way important for it to work as it ought .
I'm glad you posted this. Be back a bit later to respond. I have to think about what I want to say because this is one of those "rambling" type subjects for me and I have to shorten and condense my thoughts. lol...
I like the way you wroded it. You are riught, Love is real and love and hate cannot coexist. Which is why, in the scheme of things "Satan" cannot love and "satan" therefore is only an illusion.
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We will have gained the knowledge but will realize that non-love WAS like a shadow... when whatever is BLOCKING the sun is removed, the shadow dissipates into nothingness. It is not real.
, I still think that if we "go on" after death it is likely that we are each simply "absorbed" into that God but won't be aware of it... So while I agree that all the non-love will be obliterated, I guess I think that means we will, in essence, be obliterated as well. (Not trying to convince you or anyone else of that, it's just my thoughts at the moment and what makes the most sense to me.) 
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