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Apparently, he added "not...oopps" between the time I read it and responded. However, I'm not sure it makes a difference. A fire that does not burn up is different from how we know it. Twin or Finn, either one, please explain what a fire that does not burn up is? It sounds to me it's like what my preacher said - the problem isn't that they're on fire, but that they don't burn up.
There is a difference ....by phrasing it in this way
It's a literal fire, but not as we know it.
would indicate that "fire" is different vs. the fire we currently understand the nature of it on physical things
Which puzzeled Moses when he saw a bush on fire, yet it didn't burn up. There was given no explanation to Moses about that "fire", other than being only told that it was.
The fires of lust with no relief, the fires of desires without any satisfaction, the fires of the immoral with nothing but the bad aspects, the fires of rage with nothing to take it out on, all the bad with no good.
A fire that burns you but gives you no relief, (like reducing you to ashes), is what Twin is saying.So in other words you are being burnt eternally.
pcamps,
I would say that something that reduced to ashes gives the impression of whatever was on fire was being burned up.
I would suggest a better understanding of this "fire".
I would refer to the burning bush account recorded in Moses' encounter. The bush was on "fire" but it wasn't being reduced to ashes (burned up).
This is as close of an example of the "fire" in hell that those who are damned will experience.
Last edited by twin.spin; 09-29-2011 at 12:10 PM..
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I would say that something that reduced to ashes gives the impression of whatever was on fire was being burned up.
I would suggest a better understanding of this "fire".
I would refer to the burning bush account recorded in Moses' encounter. The bush was on "fire" but it wasn't being reduced to ashes (burned up).
This is as close of an example of the "fire" in hell that those who are damned will experience.
Instead of asking what the fire in the burning bush was, a better question would be, "Who was in the burning bush?"
Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush:
If this fire is similar to hell fire, then oops....God put HIS angel in it. It's easy to see the fire is not harmful. Who do you think was in the fiery furnace with those three guys who were tossed in it? Hmmmm.... Another fire that doesn't burn people up and is not harmful. "For our God is a consuming fire." There's seems to be a pattern here.
I would say that something that reduced to ashes gives the impression of whatever was on fire was being burned up.
I would suggest a better understanding of this "fire".
I would refer to the burning bush account recorded in Moses' encounter. The bush was on "fire" but it wasn't being reduced to ashes (burned up).
This is as close of an example of the "fire" in hell that those who are damned will experience.
Yea being burnt by the fire that does not go out.What came out of the fire,Twin,is what is going to correct and refine all mankind.
The fires of lust with no relief, the fires of desires without any satisfaction, the fires of the immoral with nothing but the bad aspects, the fires of rage with nothing to take it out on, all the bad with no good.
I like this perspective. Worldly desires burning in people for all time, with no way to satisfy that burning.
It is easy to see this all around us in the living too!
It's a forelong conclusion....the judgement announcement that occures by God while alive follows the person upon and after death ( the ressurection).
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
he who is believing in him is not judged, but he who is not believing hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And each translation is consistant with in itself
Where the KJV contrasts those who recieve "eternal life vs. damnation"
the NIV words it as:
those who have done good will rise to live
vs
those who have done evil will rise to be condemned
the YLT words it as:
those who did the good things to a rising again of life
vs
those who practised the evil things to a rising again of judgment.
If it means a fire (literal or spiritual) as an infinite punishment for the finite sin of mankind, NO!
As a refining furnace to extract pure silver from the dross, or a blacksmith's forge necessary for shaping and reshaping iron, YES!
I cannot, for the life of me (pun intended), imagine The Almighty designer of all creation to have less than "unconditional love" for mankind.
I observed the earth and how it was designed to give its inhabitants the abundance of everything they ever needed...with this first command: ~Love God by doing his will, AND THIS IS HIS WILL:
Genesis 1:28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the earth, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And the only way to ensure that mankind continues to "perpetuate life" on earth is to heed the second command: ~Love your neighbor as you love yourself.
This do and thou shalt LIVE!!! Luke 10:28
~On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.Matthew 22:40
And Christ live, died and rose again to teach us how to truly love!
Last edited by ans57; 09-29-2011 at 01:46 PM..
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