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I read and reread the OP, and you did not address this question from Trettep. I, for one, would like to have you answer it. Can a dead faith save anyone?
Katie
I have indeed explained in the original post what dead faith means. And I have also said that being saved does not always refer to eternal salvation. Go back and read it again.
I have indeed explained in the original post what dead faith means. And I have also said that being saved does not always refer to eternal salvation. Go back and read it again.
Dang Mike, you can't agree or get along with anyone can you? If there were anyone on this forum I would think you would get along with it would be Katie.,.... sheesh. There is no dead faith my friend, you got faith, you got it all. Works is just a natural event after faith, it follows whether you work at it or not.
I was trying to think today what all I have done since being a believer, and a flood of things came back to me, good things that I have done simply being a good person, not just because I'm a believer. That's just a bonus, it's not a requirement. But in my mind you can't have belief without works. They go hand in hand, like tacos and sour cream.
The question is.........how much works will get you directly to heaven? Is belief enough? Yes, it is. We'll be judged but our faith alone is enough to see the pearly gates. You want scripture? Don't need any, it's all right there in black and white, and red. But I'll give you a scripture to contemplate, cause that's what I do:
Mark 11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and yeshall have them. Mark 11:23-25 (in Context) Mark 11 (Whole Chapter)
Mark 11:31
And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did ye not believe him?
Why then? Why don't we receive what we ask for? Where's the faith?
Something is either necessary or it isn't. Water baptism in no way has anything to do with obtaining eternal salvation. Nothing, absolutely nothing is added to simple faith for salvation. Absolutely no one in the New Testament was baptized in water until they were first saved through faith in Christ.
Jesus desired that those who believed in Him be baptized in water as a public statement of their faith in Him. But it is in no way a requirement for salvation.
Mike,
Read the scripture as it was spoken " let scripture interpet scripture"
" Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved," (necessary)
"but whoever does not believe will be condemned" ( Jesus does not include in the "nots".. whoever is not baptized...... thus making it not absolutly necessary)
Second.....
God says that baptism saves .... it saves via the resurrection, decision theologists say that it doesn't. Faith is a gift from God not from man.
Nothing is going to change the fact that Jesus says “I tell you the truth"
no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit John 3:5
and is baptized will be saved Mark 16:16
Jesus uses it to make the Church holy Ephesians 5:25-26
How do I know that God does indeed use baptism for saving purposes...?
Because Jesus rose from the dead !!!!!
Romans 6: 3-5
1 Peter 3:21
Galations 3:27
Baptism offers salvation and forgiveness because it links us to Christ. Through baptism scriptures claim that we recieve the benefit of Christ's death and ressurection.
There is indeed such a thing as a "dead faith".
Jesus explained it this way:
“No one lights a lamp and hides it in a jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, he puts it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light."
“No one lights a lamp and puts it in a place where it will be hidden, or under a bowl. Instead he puts it on its stand, so that those who come in may see the light."
“You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden."
The purpose for good works is not for salvation but to bring glory to God
" let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven."
A dead faith = a faith that is hidden ............ (not by faith alone)
Last edited by twin.spin; 10-14-2011 at 10:20 PM..
Reason: should have said "as a" dead faith
There is indeed such a thing as a "dead faith".
Jesus explained it this way:
“No one lights a lamp and hides it in a jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, he puts it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light."
“No one lights a lamp and puts it in a place where it will be hidden, or under a bowl. Instead he puts it on its stand, so that those who come in may see the light."
“You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden."
The purpose for good works is not for salvation but to bring glory to God
" let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven."
A dead faith = a faith that is hidden ............ (not by faith alone)
None of the scripture you quoted has anything to do with faith. Come on, you can't do better than that.
FOLLOW THE SON OF MAN "The one who is sent by God he speaks the words of God."The followers of the Lord were sent as He was sent. How can you not understand that.It does you no good to use the words of Paul and the books of the Apostles, they are not the word of God.Jesus spoke the words of the law and the prophets as I do.
Chronicles 16:23; Sing to the Lord, all the earth! Tell of his salvation from day to day. Declare his glory among the nations, his marvelous works among all the peoples!
Psalm 78:5 ;He established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers to teach to their children; that the next generation might know them, the children yet unborn, and arise and tell them to their children, so that they should set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments;
Psalm 92:5
How great are thy works, O LORD! Thy words are very deep!
Psalm 106:13
But they soon forgot his works; they did not wait for his counsel.
Psalm 111:7
The works of his hands are faithful and just; all his commands are trustworthy,
Isaiah 26:12
Lord, You will establish peace for us, For You have also done all our works in us.
Matthew 5:16
Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
FOLLOW THE SON OF MAN "The one who is sent by God he speaks the words of God."The followers of the Lord were sent as He was sent. How can you not understand that.It does you no good to use the words of Paul and the books of the Apostles, they are not the word of God.Jesus spoke the words of the law and the prophets as I do.
Chronicles 16:23; Sing to the Lord, all the earth! Tell of his salvation from day to day. Declare his glory among the nations, his marvelous works among all the peoples!
Psalm 78:5 ;He established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers to teach to their children; that the next generation might know them, the children yet unborn, and arise and tell them to their children, so that they should set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments;
Psalm 92:5
How great are thy works, O LORD! Thy words are very deep!
Psalm 106:13
But they soon forgot his works; they did not wait for his counsel.
Psalm 111:7
The works of his hands are faithful and just; all his commands are trustworthy,
Isaiah 26:12
Lord, You will establish peace for us, For You have also done all our works in us.
Matthew 5:16
Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Dang Mike, you can't agree or get along with anyone can you? If there were anyone on this forum I would think you would get along with it would be Katie.,.... sheesh. There is no dead faith my friend, you got faith, you got it all. Works is just a natural event after faith, it follows whether you work at it or not.
I was trying to think today what all I have done since being a believer, and a flood of things came back to me, good things that I have done simply being a good person, not just because I'm a believer. That's just a bonus, it's not a requirement. But in my mind you can't have belief without works. They go hand in hand, like tacos and sour cream.
The question is.........how much works will get you directly to heaven? Is belief enough? Yes, it is. We'll be judged but our faith alone is enough to see the pearly gates. You want scripture? Don't need any, it's all right there in black and white, and red. But I'll give you a scripture to contemplate, cause that's what I do:
Mark 11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and yeshall have them. Mark 11:23-25 (in Context) Mark 11 (Whole Chapter)
Mark 11:31
And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did ye not believe him?
Why then? Why don't we receive what we ask for? Where's the faith?
As already stated in the first post, a dead faith simply refers to an unproductive spiritual life. A dead faith does not mean that a person is not saved. A person can certainly be a believer without having good works. The believer will be evaluated at the judgment seat of Christ on the basis of his works. No works, or works which are wood, hay, and stubble, with no works which are gold, silver, and precious stones will mean a loss of reward. But the believer minus works is still saved.
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