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And what exactly is the unstable ground someone is on and why.
I have heard people use that term before but they use it in such vague ways that the term is practically useless.
In scripure when it talks of someone building a foundation on sand it means that where they put their support cannot last.
But if a person believes and puts their foundation in God the Father, then I do not think the Shaky ground idea holds up just because a person might deny the trinity ideology.
A person can place their utmost trust in God the father and not be on shaky ground because of how they view some descriptions of Jesus or the Holy Ghost.
Denying the trinity is not equal to denying God the Father or Jesus as Saviour.
Being that Jesus is the "Rock" of our salvation (Ps. 95:1), He (Jesus, the Son) is our foundation and not the Father. It is through Jesus' redemptive work on the cross that the relationship with the Father is even possible. And it is through believing in Jesus' work on the cross that God gives us His Holy Spirit to live in us and to do His will.
6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would knowb my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” (John 14)
Galatians 5 4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope.
Being that Jesus is the "Rock" of our salvation (Ps. 95:1), He (Jesus, the Son) is our foundation and not the Father. It is through Jesus' redemptive work on the cross that the relationship with the Father is even possible. And it is through believing in Jesus' work on the cross that God gives us His Holy Spirit to live in us and to do His will.
6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would knowb my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” (John 14)
Galatians 5 4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope.
You can believe all of that and not have to agree with the trinity doctrine.
You can believe all of that and not have to agree with the trinity doctrine.
All three Persons of the Trinity has a hand in the believer coming to God. If one discounts / denies one of the three, you are not complete in God. Like I said earlier, they each have a role in completing God's will and purpose - in heaven and on earth. Instead of denying it, study it.
To God’s elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. (1 Peter:1-2)
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. ( Ephesians 4:30)
Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit. (1 Thess. 4:8)
The Holy Spirit talks too:
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." (Acts 13:2)
All three Persons of the Trinity has a hand in the believer coming to God. If one discounts / denies one of the three, you are not complete in God. Like I said earlier, they each have a role in completing God's will and purpose - in heaven and on earth. Instead of denying it, study it.
To God’s elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. (1 Peter:1-2)
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. ( Ephesians 4:30)
Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit. (1 Thess. 4:8)
The Holy Spirit talks too:
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." (Acts 13:2)
I believe God the father exists, I believe Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world. I believe that the Holy Ghost exists and not seeing their relationship in agreement with the concept of the trinity is irrelevant in that.
Where have I denied any of them by not agreeing that the trinity is the correct description of their relationship?
You can't rightfully make the case that I have denied any of them, but you can try I guess, have at it. Show me my denial of any of them.
I believe God the father exists, I believe Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world. I believe that the Holy Ghost exists and not seeing their relationship in agreement with the concept of the trinity is irrelevant in that.
Where have I denied any of them by not agreeing that the trinity is the correct description of their relationship?
You can't rightfully make the case that I have denied any of them, but you can try I guess, have at it. Show me my denial of any of them.
Please don't take my post as personal , I was speaking to the forum. Look what I said in my post, I said "If one discounts..." If I wanted to make it personal, I would have said if you...
Please don't take my post as personal , I was speaking to the forum. Look what I said in my post, I said "If one discounts..." If I wanted to make it personal, I would have said if you...
You quoted what I said, so you might consider not quoting an individual in the future if you have no intention of talking directly to what that individual said.
You quoted what I said, so you might consider not quoting an individual in the future if you have no intention of talking directly to what that individual said.
My post was self-explanatory. You simply took it personal. God's living word has that effect.
So then you would agree that a persons salvation is not dependant upon seeing Gods nature as Triune?
I judge no one's salvation, but simply provide the facts God gives us in His written Word.
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, I was speaking to the forum. Look what I said in my post, I said "If one discounts..." If I wanted to make it personal, I would have said if you...
