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You have Adam and Eve who DID NOT KNOW the difference between GOOD and EVIL, they DID NOT understand what it meant to be disobedient or what consequences were...they had NEVER LEARNED these things. So when God said to him not to eat the tree...he didn't understand the consequences or that he was being disobedient, no more than a child understands consequences and disobedience without first learning what they are.
Now, with that being said, could you at least try to answer the OP??? And, it might help if you quit looking at the story "litterally" but metaphorically.
It isn't often I take Verna's side on things, but I think she was right on the mark in her answer.
Adam and Eve may not have had knowledge of good and evil, but they certainly knew what disobedience was. God forewarned them not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He very clearly told them what would happen if they did. They chose to disobey.
The theme of the entire Bible is "obedience." We are constantly tested by God. Obedience to God proves our love for Him. He gave us free will to choose to obey or disobey. He didn't want a bunch of little puppets that would love Him because He said they had to.
You have Adam and Eve who DID NOT KNOW the difference between GOOD and EVIL, they DID NOT understand what it meant to be disobedient or what consequences were...they had NEVER LEARNED these things. So when God said to him not to eat the tree...he didn't understand the consequences or that he was being disobedient, no more than a child understands consequences and disobedience without first learning what they are.
Now, with that being said, could you at least try to answer the OP??? And, it might help if you quit looking at the story "litterally" but metaphorically.
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...of course I read it...and...? It doesn't change a single thing I said.
You asked:
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
A glitch in God's plan?
When God placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and told them not to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, did He expect them to obey His commandment or did their disobedience come as a surprise to Him?
According to God's word, HE WAS TESTING THEM!...So why? would He test them...? Tio see if they would OBEY! His command to them NOT! to eat of this tree! THEY FAILED! MISERABLY! ..AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM, IS WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF YOU WHO DISOBEY HIS COMMANDS!~ DEATH TO YOUR SOULS!........BLIND AND DEAF.
Moderator cut: deleteDISOBEDIENCE IS A SIN...GOD HATES IT...AND ANYONE WHO DISOBEYS HIS COMMANDS...JUST LIKE THEN...THEIR SOUL IS DEAD! JUST LIKE ADAM AND EVE'S SPIRITUAL SOUL WAS DEAD!
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
Why, if it was His intention that they remain forever in their garden paradise, did He permit Satan to tempt them with the promise of godhood? Or did Satan gain entrance to the Garden without God's permission? Was this all part of a plan that unfolded as it did for a very good reason or was the Fall of Adam an enormous, unforeseen glitch in God's plan for mankind?
IT'S CALLED FREE WILL! HE CREATED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US WITH FREE WILL...FREE TO CHOOSE HIM OR FREE TO BE OUR OWN gODS!...FREE TO CHOOSE WHO WE WILL FOLLOW...GOD...? OR SATAN...? AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT! HE WAS TESTING THEM TO SEE WHERE THEIR HEART WAS, AND THEY CHOSE TO LISTED TO SATAN INSTEAD OF GOD...WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM WILL HAPPEN TO ANYONE WHO DISOBEYS HIM!
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LOLModerator cut: orphaned...of course I read it...and...? It doesn't change a single thing I said.
You asked:
According to God's word, HE WAS TESTING THEM!...So why? would He test them...? Tio see if they would OBEY! His command to them NOT! to eat of this tree! THEY FAILED! MISERABLY! ..AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM, IS WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF YOU WHO DISOBEY HIS COMMANDS!~ DEATH TO YOUR SOULS!........BLIND AND DEAF.
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[quote-Katzpur]Why, if it was His intention that they remain forever in their garden paradise, did He permit Satan to tempt them with the promise of godhood? Or did Satan gain entrance to the Garden without God's permission? Was this all part of a plan that unfolded as it did for a very good reason or was the Fall of Adam an enormous, unforeseen glitch in God's plan for mankind?
IT'S CALLED FREE WILL! HE CREATED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF U S WITH FREE WILL...FREE TO CHOOSE HIM OR FREE TO BE OUR OWN gODS!...FREE TO CHOOSE WHO WE WILL FOLLOW...GOD...? OR SATAN! AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT! HE WAS TESTING THEM TO SEE WHERE THEIR HEART WAS, AND THEY CHOLE TO L ISTED TO SATAN INSTEAD OF GOD...WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM WILL HAPPEN TO ANYONE WHO DISOBEYS HIM![/quote]
Easy there Verna Kat was just asking questions.
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Hi Christy a baby might not understand what obedience is or the consequence of that disobedience, but one who walked with the voice of God daily would surely have known. Plus God told Adam what the consequence would be if he ate.
That is pure speculation and NOT what the story tells us. The story clearly tells us THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT GOOD AND EVIL WAS...these are the FACTS that are given us. If one has NO KNOWLEDGE how can one be obedient or disobedient???
If one doesn't KNOW what being obedient or disobedient is...how can one hold it against them??? Think about this...
No pneuma, what they are doing is attempting to discredit God...trying to make it look like God was the evil one or something...anything except the truth...they do not want to acknowledge that it is their choice to sin or not....they do not want to acknowledge that it is their whole responsibility whether or not they receive eternal life...it's a foundational question...and a Solid Foundation they do not have.
If one has NO KNOWLEDGE...how can there be CHOICE????
We are different...don't you see that??? We KNOW the difference between GOOD AND EVIL...they DID NOT...huge difference.
Idon't believe that is what they are doing Verna, we all differ in what we believe, but we are told not to judge anothers servant.
God didn't say that we are to not discern fact from fiction, truth from half truths, messengers speaking for God from many false prophets.
There is no way to “Watch out for falseprophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing,but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." if not one were to judge.
Has it not occured to you why "many false prophets will appear and deceive many people."
I do...you know them by their fruit pneuma..and the fruit is not good .
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we all differ in what we believe, but we are told not to judge anothers servant.
Really pueuma?.....I believe I stand for God - and as long as I show no impartiality by looks or between the rich and the poor, I am commanded to judge, righteously...righteousness.
John 7;24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
Leciticus 19:15 "'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly."
I do...you know them by their fruit pneuma..and the fruit is not good .
Really pueuma?.....I believe I stand for God - and as long as I show no impartiality by looks or between the rich and the poor, I am commanded to judge, righteously...righteousness.
John 7;24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
Leciticus 19:15 "'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly."
Blessings,
Verna.
Judge away Verna...but try actually answering the question first.
Nothing has, or does catch God off guard or cause a 'glitch' in His Plan.
So would it be accurate to say that things went exactly according to God's will?
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..AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM, IS WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF YOU WHO DISOBEY HIS COMMANDS!~ DEATH TO YOUR SOULS!........BLIND AND DEAF.
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