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What's the confusion, Finn? All will be made alive in Christ according to the apostle Paul and God will be all in all in the end. Our God is a consuming fire and no one can stop Him. God bless.
The dead will rise and be judged, and the wicked will be thrown in the lake of fire. You think there is another resurrection where the dead will be brought back from the lake for fire, but the Bible does not speak of such things.
The dead will rise and be judged, and the wicked will be thrown in the lake of fire. You think there is another resurrection where the dead will be brought back from the lake for fire, but the Bible does not speak of such things.
You are correct. Satan is working very very hard on this forum trying to convince others that God did not really say there will be a second and final death for unbelievers.
We all experience the first death. Those who do not believe in Jesus as their savior during their lifetime (living in separation from God) will be the only ones who will experience the second - and final - death at judgment day.
God tells us that believers have (present tense) eternal life - during their life on earth - and through all eternity after judgment day.
Nonbelievers' second death will be an eternal separation from God.
Again, Finn, we will have to agree to disagree. I believe that eventually all will be restored to God and that the lake of fire is a part of the process. And I have provided scriptural references which speak of the restoration of all to God, which continue to be passed over or ignored. The scriptures do not speak of an eternal separation from God.
Colossians 1
12Giving thanks to the Father who did make us meet for the participation of the inheritance of the saints in the light,
13who did rescue us out of the authority of the darkness, and did translate [us] into the reign of the Son of His love,
14in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of the sins,
15who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,
16because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,
17and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted.
18And himself is the head of the body -- the assembly -- who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all [things] -- himself -- first,
19because in him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle, 20and through him to reconcile the all things to himself -- having made peace through the blood of his cross -- through him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens. (YLT)
The dead will rise and be judged, and the wicked will be thrown in the lake of fire. You think there is another resurrection where the dead will be brought back from the lake for fire, but the Bible does not speak of such things.
It's part of His super secret salvation plan. shhh.
The problem i have with this type of belief, is that it works right into Satan's plan of procrastination. I'll get to that living the promises of God later.
He'll make it all better some time in the eternities.
We are a world filled with procrastination, and sin... Satan doesn't need the help.
What a sad state to be in, failing to respond to all that Jesus suffered to reconcile us to God. Will God deal with this kind of attitude, yes!
Modeerf, it was revealed to the church.
Ephesians 1: 1
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up* of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory.
Many in the early church tried to cover it up, teaching eternal hell because they did not think that the masses could handle it (the restoration of all) or they wanted to control the masses. Many said to be early church fathers held to the belief in the eventual restoration of all. God bless.
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Again, Finn, we will have to agree to disagree. I believe that eventually all will be restored to God and that the lake of fire is a part of the process. And I have provided scriptural references which speak of the restoration of all to God, which continue to be passed over or ignored. The scriptures do not speak of an eternal separation from God.
The Bible does speak about eternal separation.
2 Thess 1:8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
since [it is] a righteous thing with God to give back to those troubling you -- trouble,
7and to you who are troubled -- rest with us in the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven, with messengers of his power,
8in flaming fire, giving vengeance to those not knowing God, and to those not obeying the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ; 9who shall suffer justice -- destruction age-during -- from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his strength..." (YLT)
On some words that have been translated as “eternal”, “forever”, “incurable” in the scriptures
Sodom's fiery judgment is "eternal" (Jude
7)--until--God "will restore the fortunes of Sodom"
16:53-55).
Israel's "affliction is incurable" (Jer.
30:12)-until--the Lord "will restore health" and heal
her wounds (Jer. 30:17).
The sin of Samaria "is incurable" (Mic. 1:9)-until--
Lord "will restore ... the fortunes of Samaria." (Ez.
16:53).
An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the
Lord's congregation "forever"-until--the tenth
generation (Deut. 23:3):
Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were
"everlasting", that is -until-- they "were shattered"
Hab. 3 3:6).
The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an "everlasting"
priesthood (Ex. 40:15), that is-until-it was
superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews
7:14-18).
Many translations of the Bible inform us that God
would dwell in Solomon's Temple "forever" (1 Kings
8:13), that is,--until the Temple was destroyed.
The Law of Moses was to be an "everlasting covenant"
(Leviticus 24:8) yet we read in the New Covenant the
first was "done away" and "abolished" (2 Corinthians
3:11,13), and God "made the first old" (Hebrews 8:13).
God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah
"forever"-until--the Lord delivers him from the large
fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1: 17);
Egypt and Elam will "rise no more" (Jer.
25:27)-until--the Lord will "restore the fortunes of
Egypt" (Ez. 29:14) and "restore the fortunes of Elam"
(Jer. 49:39).
"Moab is destroyed" (Jer. 48:4, 42)-until--the Lord
"will restore the fortunes of Moab" (Jer. 48:47).
Israel's judgment lasts "forever"-until--the Spirit is
poured out and God restores it (Isa. 32:13-15).
So, narrow is the way to life and few find it-until--
and His church confiscate the "strong man's" booty,
setting the captives free so God becomes all in all
(Isa. 61, Luke 11:21-22, Matt. 7:13; 16:18, 1 Cor.
15:24-28).
The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us
that a bondslave was to serve his master "forever"
(Exodus 21:6), that is,--until--his death.
since [it is] a righteous thing with God to give back to those troubling you -- trouble,
7and to you who are troubled -- rest with us in the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven, with messengers of his power,
8in flaming fire, giving vengeance to those not knowing God, and to those not obeying the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ; 9who shall suffer justice -- destruction age-during -- from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his strength..." (YLT).
Eternal means eternal. Eternal life is eternal, and so it eternal separation. Trying to marry this verse to unrelated verses from the OT, will not change the meaning of eternal in this context.
Sorry, Finn, it won't work. Many words that have been translated as everlasting, eternal, forever, ect. in the NT are from the word, aionios which means "of or relating to an age", an age being a definite period of time, having a beginning and an end.
Aionios is the adjective of the word, aion, an age. An Aion cannot be eternity.
There was "a secret concealed from the aions" (ages) (past) (Eph.3:9)
There was "the preparation of the aions"(ages) (past) (Heb.11:3)
There is "the present wicked aion" (age)(present) (Gal.1:4)
There is "the conclusion of the current aion" (age) (present) (Matt 28:20)
There will be "the comingaion" (age)(future) (Luke 18:30)
There will be "the oncoming aions" (ages)(future) (Eph.2:7)
If aion meant "eternity", then none of the above scriptures would make sense.
There was a secret concealed from the eternities.
There was the preparation of the eternities.
There is the present wicked eternity.
There is the conclusion of the current eternity.
There will be the coming eternity.
There will be the oncoming eternities.
And please don't dismiss the scriptures which speak of the restoration of all to God. God is the God of the aions and He is working out His plan through the aions of time. At the end of the aions (time), He will be all in all. God bless.
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Many words that have been translated as everlasting, eternal, forever, ect. in the NT are from the word, aionios which means "of or relating to an age", an age being a definite period of time, having a beginning and an end. God bless.
I know that is what universalist publications claim, but it is only an invention of men to explain away contradictions.
How long is eternal life? Ten minutes?
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