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Old 12-18-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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Some children listen and understand the teachings of their loving parents.
Some children learn through pain and suffering.
Some children get run over after they grow up and leave our care.

A small (young) child needs correction, guidance, and attention. But when they are grown, it is up to them to take the lessons of childhood, and decide whether they will heed the lessons or ignore them, usually at their own peril, if they choose to ignore.

Love cannot be forced, it would cease to be love.
But if your child is not grown up. Even if your child doesn't listen to you. Even if your child is disobeys you - do you still let the child head for the busy street?
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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Hi, I don't believe that all roads lead to heaven. I have never stated that. Jesus is the only Way and the scriptures teach that He is the Savior of all men. He is even the Savior of those who rejected Him then and now. God bless.

Psalm 68:

18 You have ascended on high, You have led captive Your captives;
You have received gifts among men,
Even among the rebellious also, that the LORD God may dwell there. (NAS)

Psalm 90:
3Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men
Psalm 90 is about a person returning from which humanity was formed from, nothing about the judgement after death to the soul and the subsequent reuniting of body and soul for final judgement.

You have repeatedly denied the trinity, that Jesus is the Godman (Jehovah promised in the OT) ... rejecting that is unforgiveable by God, for that is whom God is.
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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But if your child is not grown up. Even if your child doesn't listen to you. Even if your child is disobeys you - do you still let the child head for the busy street?
What does that have to do with God forcing His will on grown ups.

Of course a loving parent stops and teaches the child to not run into a busy street.

Look both ways.

We have God's (our Fathers) instructions through His prophets. It also has consequences if we knowingly run into oncoming traffic (sin).
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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Modeerf,

Reconcile =apokatallasso=the restoration of a relationship of peace which has been disturbed.


I am wondering if you believe that convincing or persuading someone of something that is best for them, would be wrong and not indicative of love? God bless.
One of the purposes of Prophets and Scripture and the still small voice within, is to give God's ways.

Pride is the anti love, it sets into motion all sin. If Satan or his followers/children don't want to give up pride. No love can penetrate that wall. It is how things are.
God will reconcile the components of entities through recycling them.
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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What does that have to do with God forcing His will on grown ups.

Of course a loving parent stops and teaches the child to not run into a busy street.

Look both ways.

We have God's (our Fathers) instructions through His prophets. It also has consequences if we knowingly run into oncoming traffic (sin).
So you admit that a loving parent would step in and prevent their child from running into the busy street.
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:22 AM
 
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One of the purposes of Prophets and Scripture and the still small voice within, is to give God's ways.

Pride is the anti love, it sets into motion all sin. If Satan or his followers/children don't want to give up pride. No love can penetrate that wall. It is how things are.
God will reconcile the components of entities through recycling them.
Do you believe in Hell?
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:24 AM
 
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If Satan or his followers/children don't want to give up pride. No love can penetrate that wall. It is how things are.

Hi, I do not believe that the love of God is unable to penetrate the pride of satan or his followers ( and we all once followed satan). God has all power and He is the only Supreme Power in the Universe. If God who is said to love, can't, then He is not omnipotent. But even satan is under His control. The Lord Jesus Christ will subdue all things to Himself which the scriptures tell us and I believe this. Lift Him up. God bless.
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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Hi, I do not believe that the love of God is unable to penetrate the pride of satan or his followers ( and we all once followed satan). God has all power and He is the only Supreme Power in the Universe. If God who is said to love, can't, then He is not omnipotent. But even satan is under His control. The Lord Jesus Christ will subdue all things to Himself which the scriptures tell us and I believe this. Lift Him up. God bless.
Amen, Shana!!
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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What does that have to do with God forcing His will on grown ups.

Of course a loving parent stops and teaches the child to not run into a busy street.

Look both ways.

We have God's (our Fathers) instructions through His prophets. It also has consequences if we knowingly run into oncoming traffic (sin).
God did not stop the people from sinning (running into a busy street) at Noah's time, or at the time of Sodom/Gomorrah. He did not force them into salvation, although He certainly had the power to do so. They knew the right from wrong, and they chose wrong, and paid the price.
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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You have repeatedly denied the trinity, that Jesus is the Godman (Jehovah promised in the OT) ... rejecting that is unforgiveable by God, for that is whom God is.
Please tell me what this has to do with this thread, Twin If you want to discuss this, please start a new one, and I may check it out. God bless.
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