The Day God Spoke To Me (after-life, Moses, rituals, evolution)
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Call me an old cynic SA but I don't buy the story. You can see how his demeanour changed as soon as he started getting responses questioning his claims.
Even grieving people can get good and mad. Their demeanor can change under any number of circumstances. Just as that taxi driver that cut me off (on my way home from the hopsital) when my mother was in a coma and I was grieving.
Aren't you all being a little harsh? I don't buy the story either but come on, HumbleWitness was just sharing what he thinks is the truth. It's a Christian thing, to share testimonies. You don't have to like it but it is what it is.......a way of proselytizing and apparently it works on some people. I think he saw and heard what he wanted to, no doubt about it but honestly being an atheist doesn't mean you have to be sarcastic and plain rude.
Sorry about the loss of your wife, HumbleWitness.
I just have a question.......when did you hear the voice? Was it before or after you saw the "sign"?
Before, I had not turned the corner yet when i heard the Voice.
I find it amazing that some people would actually make some ridiculous correspondance between God's vast, magnificantly complex, life sustaining fractal universe and a puddle of water in a hole.
I find it amazing that some people here will buy into two men having a tug of war as some silly metaphor for the finely tuned system of fundamental forces which made our universe possible. Perhaps those making such assertions would be so kind to give the rest of us an example of how this would work, for example, if the force of gravity were somehow shifte in value by X, how would a shift of Y in the strong nuclear force compensate for gravity's new value making it impossible for matter to coalesce in the universe.
Richard Dawkins was only "fooling around" when he made that moronic life-forming crystal statement? He was tricked? He was being interviewed for a movie, there was a film crew, there were cameras rolling lol.
I posted my testimony for people to read and derive whatever benefit they can from my experience. Anyone who reads it is free to believe it or not. All i can say is that what i wrote really happened exactly as reported in my post. I nor anyone else can PROVE that God exists, an element of faith is required. No one can prove that God does not exist, so it is unfair to hold a believer to a standard of proof that an unbeliever cannot meet. I don't mind being asked questions, but when my beliefs are disrespected by sarcasm and moronic analogies then it is time for me to end my participation in the discussion.
I find it amazing that some people would actually make some ridiculous correspondance between God's vast, magnificantly complex, life sustaining fractal universe and a puddle of water in a hole.
I find it amazing that some people here will buy into two men having a tug of war as some silly metaphor for the finely tuned system of fundamental forces which made our universe possible. Perhaps those making such assertions would be so kind to give the rest of us an example of how this would work, for example, if the force of gravity were somehow shifte in value by X, how would a shift of Y in the strong nuclear force compensate for gravity's new value making it impossible for matter to coalesce in the universe.
Richard Dawkins was only "fooling around" when he made that moronic life-forming crystal statement? He was tricked? He was being interviewed for a movie, there was a film crew, there were cameras rolling lol.
I posted my testimony for people to read and derive whatever benefit they can from my experience. Anyone who reads it is free to believe it or not. All i can say is that what i wrote really happened exactly as reported in my post. I nor anyone else can PROVE that God exists, an element of faith is required. No one can prove that God does not exist, so it is unfair to hold a believer to a standard of proof that an unbeliever cannot meet. I don't mind being asked questions, but when my beliefs are disrespected by sarcasm and moronic analogies then it is time for me to end my participation in the discussion.
God Bless you all.
...and you You are a blessing to many hearts (those that aren't made of stone anyway). Why don't you post on the Christian Forum more often...you would be welcomed with open arms.
...and you You are a blessing to many hearts (those that aren't made of stone anyway). Why don't you post on the Christian Forum more often...you would be welcomed with open arms.
Hi Verna, In fact I did post my testimony to the Christian forum, however, I also posted it here, which as it turns out is a violation of the rules (which in my haste did not read). The powers that be in the forum elected to remove the version in the Christian forum and left me here to fend off the wolves lol. I really don't mind having a respectful, good faith discussion, but it is apparent that that is unlikely to happen here : (. I wish they would move this testimony to the Christian subforum. The soil here is very rocky, at least it seems that way.
Hi Verna, In fact I did post my testimony to the Christian forum, however, I also posted it here, which as it turns out is a violation of the rules (which in my haste did not read). The powers that be in the forum elected to remove the version in the Christian forum and left me here to fend off the wolves lol. I really don't mind having a respectful, good faith discussion, but it is apparent that that is unlikely to happen here : (. I wish they would move this testimony to the Christian subforum. The soil here is very rocky, at least it seems that way.
God Bless you my Sister in Christ.
...the powers that be in the forum...?...or just circumstance...?...or could it possibly be the providence of God...? ...one never really knows. I know which I prefer to believe it to be.
I find it amazing that some people would actually make some ridiculous correspondance between God's vast, magnificantly complex, life sustaining fractal universe and a puddle of water in a hole.
You find it amazing because you don't want to understand what we are trying to tell you. It's quite simple to get your head around it if you try. Look - the puddle of water in the hole is the shape it is because the shape is determined by the hole the water finds itself in. In the same way, life here on Earth is the way it is because it has evolved to meet the conditions it has found - just like the water has been shaped by the hole. Easy innit??
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Richard Dawkins was only "fooling around" when he made that moronic life-forming crystal statement? He was tricked? He was being interviewed for a movie, there was a film crew, there were cameras rolling lol.
You have been asked to supply the link where we can see Dawkins saying this. Why don't you give it?
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I nor anyone else can PROVE that God exists, an element of faith is required. No one can prove that God does not exist, so it is unfair to hold a believer to a standard of proof that an unbeliever cannot meet.
I think most of us are asking you for your evidence rather than your "proof".
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I don't mind being asked questions, but when my beliefs are disrespected by sarcasm and moronic analogies then it is time for me to end my participation in the discussion.
You think you have some automatic right to 'respect' - based simply on what you believe????? What if I believed that women were inferior to men or that blacks were inferior to whites or perhaps that child pornography is perfectly acceptable? Would you 'respect' my beliefs? I respect your right to hold any beliefs but that does not entitle you to immunity from criticism or ridicule - any more than you would be immune if you believed that the Earth was flat and the Sun orbited around it.
You think you have some automatic right to 'respect' - based simply on what you believe????? What if I believed that women were inferior to men or that blacks were inferior to whites or perhaps that child pornography is perfectly acceptable? Would you 'respect' my beliefs? I respect your right to hold any beliefs but that does not entitle you to immunity from criticism or ridicule - any more than you would be immune if you believed that the Earth was flat and the Sun orbited around it.
There is a difference in showing someone respect and agreeing with his belief/perception/world view. Being rude will never get you very far with anyone. It just makes you look foolish.
There is a difference in showing someone respect and agreeing with his belief/perception/world view. Being rude will never get you very far with anyone. It just makes you look foolish.
Most Christians find ANY criticism of their beliefs to be 'rude' even when it isn't. I have known some that will pull the persecution card if one says 'Good morning' to them!!
The fact remains that too many theist expect their religious views to command automatic respect...and for no other reason than they are 'religious'. Mencken says it best:
"The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected."
....and
"The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to tackle it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever infamous and ridiculous. Is it, perchance, cherished by persons who should know better? Then their folly should be brought out into the light of day, and exhibited there in all its hideousness until they flee from it, hiding their heads in shame.
True enough, even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He has a right to harbor and indulge his imbecilities as long as he pleases, provided only he does not try to inflict them upon other men by force. He has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge........."
You find it amazing because you don't want to understand what we are trying to tell you. It's quite simple to get your head around it if you try. Look - the puddle of water in the hole is the shape it is because the shape is determined by the hole the water finds itself in. In the same way, life here on Earth is the way it is because it has evolved to meet the conditions it has found - just like the water has been shaped by the hole. Easy innit??
You have been asked to supply the link where we can see Dawkins saying this. Why don't you give it?
I think most of us are asking you for your evidence rather than your "proof".
You think you have some automatic right to 'respect' - based simply on what you believe????? What if I believed that women were inferior to men or that blacks were inferior to whites or perhaps that child pornography is perfectly acceptable? Would you 'respect' my beliefs? I respect your right to hold any beliefs but that does not entitle you to immunity from criticism or ridicule - any more than you would be immune if you believed that the Earth was flat and the Sun orbited around it.
i do want to understand believe me i do. However I feel that it is disengenuous to compare the simplicity of a hole that can hold water to the complexity of a life sustaining universe. As per my assertion that the fundamental forces of the universe are finely tuned to allow "anything" to exist, without those finely tuned components exactly as they are you wouldn't even have your hole, never mind the water to fill it. I just dont think the analogy makes sense, it's not a fair analogy. Dr Gerald Schroeder, an Nobel Laureate phycisist compares the statistical likelyhood of these forces being so finely tuned as they are to a tornado being able to construct a fully functional 747 jet by passing through a junkyard. And i do understand the analogy you are making, i just don't think it's a fair analogy. Think of this, of all the gazillions of combinational values our cosmic constants could have taken, it is this exact combination that allows stable matter to exist and coalesce into stars, galaxies, clusters of galaxies, reactionable states of matter, etc. Thus the assertion in some camps that there MUST be an infinite number of universes in order for this one to exist. All of these other universes would be either devoid of matter beyond very fundamental particles, or gaseous balloons unable to sustain denser forms of matter, or filled with matter much to dense for there to be distinct clusters of material: everything would just collapse unto itself.
You know where Dawkins said it, you stated it yourself: Expelled. You choose to believe that he was somehow 'tricked" into saying it, i just don't think anyone is that stupid. So i believe that he said it and only then realized how nonsensical the statement was to make. He's pulling the old i was joking routine, but i don't buy it, sorry. Like a said, movie interview, cameras rolling, film crew. If he was "tricked" why didnt we see litigation to pull the movie until his comments were properly represented?
I don't believe i should have "automatic right to respect because of what I believe". I believe i should have an automatic right to respect because i am a human being, that's all. I don't agree with you on many things, but i respect you. I didn't mock anyone, i shared an experience which you may or may not believe, i'm ok with either path you take. I was confronted with hostility for the very first response to my testimony. Frankly, i don't care what you believe, i shared my testimony in the HOPE that it would inspire some who read it to seek for themselves. I can't save your soul, you are responsible for doing that yourself, with God's help. You're on your own in that regard my friend. You can only help yourself if you take an objective approach toward finding your way to the truth. My experience was very real, but if you can't bring yourself to seardh out God for yourself than it will always just be so much silliness to you. All i can do is share, the rest is up to you. Hey, i'll let you in on a little secret: I really, really don't care what you believe or don't believe. I hope that you seek and find, buy hey, whatever......
God Bless you friend.
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You are a blessing to many hearts (those that aren't made of stone anyway). Why don't you post on the Christian Forum more often...you would be welcomed with open arms.
