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Old 08-01-2012, 03:51 PM
 
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I for one and most I know of do not teach to disobey Gods laws but what we are saying is that the law is fullfiled in those who walk in the Spirit because the law is spiritual and without Christ we are carnal and not able to keep the law. What has been done away with is the thinking we can keep the law and be justified by it when it is plainly written, "All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God."

We can not look to the law for justification or stength to please God but only to Christ. His righteousness will establish His law within us to love and not hate, not murder, not steal, not fornicate, or commit other sins because the Spirit gives us the true value of all the things of God and the Grace to overcome. Does that mean we have it all together at once? No, but it is written, "He that overcomes will inherit all things." The overcoming is not by looking to the law, but by "looking to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith."

Where the Scripture says you are not under the law but under Grace, it means that you can not look to the law to save you, not that it has been done away with because God still uses it to point out sin and point us to Christ as the cure.



The Bible defines sin as the transgression of God's Law.

All have sinned, except Jesus Christ who was the only man who kept God's Law perfectly.

God's Law was intended to be THE standard for righteousness and it is still God's standard for righteousness.
God expected His People to administer His Law in their society and establish God's Justice in the land.

But Israel kept backsliding, forsaking both God and God's Law and worshipping baal. Israel even went
so far as allowing sodomites in the temple. Israel was duly punished. God allowed Israel's enemies to
destroy Jerusalem and the temple.


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Old 08-01-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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So Paul was lying in Romans 10?

You'll notice that Lazarus and the rich man never actually spoke to each other.


Yes--we will be resurrected into glorified bodies. In the meantime, Paul said that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. He certainly believed that he would do more than sleep until the resurrection. And Hell is also taught in the scriptures.
As usual, Paul is vague in what he's trying to teach. "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" can happen immediately after death OR hundreds of millions of years later at the resurrection if one accepts the notion of soul-sleep or some derivative of it. Paul should have said, "immediately present with the Lord" if that's what he was trying to convey.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:56 PM
 
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As usual, Paul is vague in what he's trying to teach. "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" can happen immediately after death OR hundreds of millions of years later at the resurrection if one accepts the notion of soul-sleep or some derivative of it. Paul should have said, "immediately present with the Lord" if that's what he was trying to convey.
I'm pretty confident you'd have found a way to re-interpret "immediately" somehow if he had. Just read the context. It's not complicated.
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:25 PM
 
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The Bible defines sin as the transgression of God's Law.

All have sinned, except Jesus Christ who was the only man who kept God's Law perfectly.

God's Law was intended to be THE standard for righteousness and it is still God's standard for righteousness.
God expected His People to administer His Law in their society and establish God's Justice in the land.

But Israel kept backsliding, forsaking both God and God's Law and worshipping baal. Israel even went
so far as allowing sodomites in the temple. Israel was duly punished. God allowed Israel's enemies to
destroy Jerusalem and the temple.


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Of coarse it is the standard but the law can not impart the Spiritual makeup of the Law because without Christ we are but carnal and not able to keep the law. In Christ we become spiritual and then through Him do by His nature/fullfil the law. I am talking about how one is saved. One can not be saved by the law but only through Christ. Jesus said "You must be born again of the Spirit."

ROM 8:3-4 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:38 PM
 
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Sin is the transgression of God's Law [1 John 3:4]



" If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left "

Hebrews 10:26



" For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers
of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away,
it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
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Hebrews 6:4-6



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Old 08-01-2012, 04:45 PM
 
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I'm pretty confident you'd have found a way to re-interpret "immediately" somehow if he had. Just read the context. It's not complicated.
Could be because here's the catch: even if the soul sleep for eons before the resurrection, it would seem like a blink of an eye for it in terms of time--much like when you fall asleep at night and do not dream, waking up the next morning always feels like you just got into bed a few seconds ago even though 8 hours have passed. So "immediately" in the literal sense or figurative produces the same results.
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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Sin is the transgression of God's Law [1 John 3:4]



" If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left "

Hebrews 10:26



" For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers
of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away,
it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. "


Hebrews 6:4-6



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Amen king's highway...Absolute Truth ! I love that.
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