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Old 09-17-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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When Jesus returns it's all over with. The elect who remain will be lifted up and the earth destroyed by fire.

1Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Thess. 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the
works that are therein shall be burned up.







...then a New Heaven and a New Earth ! \o/...governed in Righteousness....Sinless.

Amen.
Wow!..How can people in light of these verses stating that in that Day heaven and earth shall pass away, yet still maintain that the law has been abolished when Yeshua clearly said it would not until heaven and earth pass away?...
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:04 AM
 
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Everyone is included in the rapture. The rapture takes place on an individual level and not on mass..What do you think God does...play favorites...Grace is the undeserved mercy of God..."God rains on the wicked as well as the good"- to para phrase...The RAPTURE takes place for all of us----------------on our death bed...the moment we stop breathing we are raptured. This is a repeated theme among Christians that I believe is askew..that God punishes some and rewards others...Humans do that- God is not human nor does he have the attributes of a human.......we are all the same to GOD.

So be prepared when you lay dying...and prey that God shows you mercy...and grace....and he will...Those that think they arE SPECIAL...might be in for a surprise.
So, I guess the bible lies then?...
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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So, Lazurus is still alive today?...
His body died but his spirit never died as Jesus said it would not.

HEB 12:22-24 "But you are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the Heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of Angels, To the general assembly and Church of the firstborn, which are written in Heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaks better things that that of Abel."

You can not see Lazurus but he is there and made perfect. You can not see the Mountain nor the New Jerusalem but we who are born of the Spirit are in that Mountain and in the City of the living God. The New Jerusalem is still under construction because we are a living part of the city with more to be added and when complete it will be the capital and rule the new heaven and the new earth.

The Kingdom of God is not in mere word but in the power of The Spirit of Truth to "see" that which not exist to the natural eye but only to the spiritual eye.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:17 AM
 
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His body died but his spirit never died as Jesus said it would not.

HEB 12:22-24 "But you are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the Heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of Angels, To the general assembly and Church of the firstborn, which are written in Heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaks better things that that of Abel."

You can not see Lazurus but he is there and made perfect. You can not see the Mountain nor the New Jerusalem but we who are born of the Spirit are in that Mountain and in the City of the living God. The New Jerusalem is still under construction because we are a living part of the city with more to be added and when complete it will be the capital and rule the new heaven and the new earth.
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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[SIZE=2]In the verse in Thessalonians Paul was speaking of the people that were living in that day being Caught up, not people living 2000 years later. They actually believed that Yeshua was going to return during their lifetime.
What happened to the people/Saints that got up out of the grave when Yeshua was on the cross and walked into the Holy City?
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The rapture of the Church is eminent. This means that there is no prophecy which must be fulfilled before the rapture can occur. The early Church did believe that Christ would return for the Church. But the dispensation of the Church continues to this day. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 is a reference to the rapture.

The saints which rose from the grave were not Church Age believers, but were Old Testament saints. They were not resurrected. Their mortal bodies were resuscitated and later died again just as Lazarus did when Jesus resuscitated him.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:25 AM
 
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Wow!..How can people in light of these verses stating that in that Day heaven and earth shall pass away, yet still maintain that the law has been abolished when Yeshua clearly said it would not until heaven and earth pass away?...
You forgot the part that says to all be fullfilled concerning the law and of coarse all was in Christ who said, "It is finished."
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:29 AM
 
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You forgot the part that says to all be fullfilled concerning the law and of coarse all was in Christ who said, "It is finished."
Nope...He said until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or title will pass from the Law until all be fullfilled...HaShem's plan for this world?...Hmmmm...
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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The rapture of the Church is eminent. This means that there is no prophecy which must be fulfilled before the rapture can occur. The early Church did believe that Christ would return for the Church. But the dispensation of the Church continues to this day. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 is a reference to the rapture.

The saints which rose from the grave were not Church Age believers, but were Old Testament saints. They were not resurrected. Their mortal bodies were resuscitated and later died again just as Lazarus did when Jesus resuscitated him.

I wonder why there is no history on that?....
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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So, Lazurus is still alive today?...
John 11:26
“I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies, and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

She answered "yes".
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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Nope...He said until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or title will pass from the Law until all be fullfilled...HaShem's plan for this world?...Hmmmm...
That is true for the Jew in fullness and as a witness to the Gentle also. All scripture is needed to point them to the Christ and when found they will no longer be under the law. But the law will and must continue as a witness, as school master to point us to Christ, till heaven and earth pass away. The law is Gods' tools, not the finished product. He always needs His tools as any good carpentor does.
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