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Old 09-17-2012, 05:29 AM
 
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Some believe that every believer alive during the RAPTURE will be taken away...
While others believe a partial RAPTURE...

Who do you believe will go?

Baby - Newly Converted Believer?

Carnal - Worldly Believer?

Matured - Spiritual Believer?
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:44 AM
 
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According to a parallel account in the Old Testament... when the children of Israel (called the OT church) came out of Egypt - everyone came out, although some just went along who were not Israelite - called the rabbles.

Nevertheless, everyone who came out failed to enter the Promised Land - except Joshua and Caleb and those 19 years old and below. All else fell dead in the desert during their forty years journey.

Will the modern church also have casualties and fail to enter the glorious Promised Life during the RAPTURE?
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:48 AM
 
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Some believe that every believer alive during the RAPTURE will be taken away...
While others believe a partial RAPTURE...

Who do you believe will go?

Baby - Newly Converted Believer?

Carnal - Worldly Believer?

Matured - Spiritual Believer?
No one...
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:21 AM
 
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Would you qualify your answer Richard1965... Why No One?
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:01 AM
 
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Which Rapture?

- Wedding Rapture (no dead bride, 'wise virgins' The Great Multitude)

- Resurrection/Rapture (left behind, 'alive & remain')
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:55 AM
 
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Most believe that all that are of the body of Christ in the true church will be caught up. Justification is 100 percent set apart from our ability to merit it. God looks at the heart though. It very well could be that many that go to church on Sunday are in for a big surprise. Not because they weren't good enough, but because they never received Christ as their Lord and Saviour. None of us are good enough. Empty religious rituals don't please God nor can they save.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:16 AM
 
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Some believe that every believer alive during the RAPTURE will be taken away...
While others believe a partial RAPTURE...

Who do you believe will go?

Baby - Newly Converted Believer?

Carnal - Worldly Believer?

Matured - Spiritual Believer?
Everyone who has had their hearts turned to Him will go to Heaven if they endure to the end with whatever amount of faith they have. Whether they have faith the size of a mustard seed or the size of a mountain, they will go to be with the Lord.

MT 20:9-16 "And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and You have made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do you no wrong: did not you agree with Me for a penny? Take what is yours, and go your way: I will give unto this last, even as unto you. Is it not lawful for Me to do what I will with my own? Is your eye evil, because I am good? So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."

There is no such thing as greater or lessor rewards nor shade when you get to heaven but rather the fullness of the light of the Son with all the splendor of Heaven. The Scripture says, GEN 15:1, "I am your shield, and your exceeding great reward."

Only in this life to we experiance more or less rewards then another by diligence [watching for doors of ministry to another or many to open] by prayer and then obediance to His guidance and all done by Grace. Rewards of faith are according to doing Gods goods pleasure for us and others.
1COR 13:9 "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

The final reward of faith and obediance, is the fullness.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:48 AM
 
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Some believe that every believer alive during the RAPTURE will be taken away...
While others believe a partial RAPTURE...

Who do you believe will go?

Baby - Newly Converted Believer?

Carnal - Worldly Believer?

Matured - Spiritual Believer?
Every Church Age believer will be resurrected or transformed at the rapture of the Church. The bodies of those believers who are alive on the earth at the time of the rapture will have their bodies transformed into bodies of incorruptability and immortality. Believers who have died throughout the Church Age will be resurrected. There are no exceptions. This is shown in the following two passages.

1 Thess. 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15] For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17] Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

1 Cor. 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52] in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53] For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.


The entire Church is part of the body of Christ. The entire Church is the bride of Christ. At the marriage of the Lamb the entire Church will be there for the marriage. Furthermore, preceding the marriage, the bride will undergo the Bema seat or judgment seat of Christ which will take place in heaven immediately following the rapture, in which the dead works of the Church will be stripped away leaving only those works which will be evaluated as gold, silver and precious stones (1 Cor. 3:12-15). It is at the judgment seat of Christ that the bride is made ready and clothed in the fine linen which is the righteous acts of the saints (Rev. 19:7-8).

Rev. 19:7 Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready." 8] It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

The Church cannot go though the Tribulation. For one thing, it is the Holy Spirit who restrains the appearance of the antichrist (2 Thess. 2:3-9) through His indwelling presence in the Church. The Tribulation will begin with the signing of a peace treaty with Israel (Dan. 9:27). Every Church Age believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Therefore as long as the Church is on the earth the antichrist cannot appear and the Tribulation cannot begin.


Every Church Age believer will take part in the rapture since being in the rapture is not dependent on you, just as eternal salvation is not dependent on you. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ. Anyone who has placed his faith in Jesus Christ for eternal life has been eternally saved. Everyone who has placed his faith in Jesus Christ during the Church Age will, without exception, be in the rapture.

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Old 09-17-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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Based on the Scripture below... not everyone will be RAPTURED because there are those who were left behind and endured the Great Tribulation but witnessed about the LORD at the expense of their neck - literally...

Rev 20:4 "I saw thrones, and sitting on those thrones were the ones who had been given the right to judge. I also saw the souls of the people who had their heads cut off because they had told about Jesus and preached God's message. They were the same ones who had not worshiped the beast or the idol, and they had refused to let its mark be put on their hands or foreheads. They will come to life and rule with Christ for a thousand years."
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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Would you qualify your answer Richard1965... Why No One?
Because we all sleep in the grave untill the Day of Resurrection...
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