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Old 09-21-2012, 10:54 PM
 
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No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the Bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

What is the bosom of the father? What has the only begotten son declared?
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:57 AM
 
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No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the Bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

What is the bosom of the father? What has the only begotten son declared?
May I ask you why this verse piqued your interest?
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the Bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

What is the bosom of the father? What has the only begotten son declared?
Being in the Bosom is a Hebraic Idiom for being in a place of honor...
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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I know what it means but if I tell you you won't to hear it because it's not what you have heard about in church Christianity.
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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May I ask you why this verse piqued your interest?
I was asking to create a discussion. Bosom of the father piqued my interest.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:25 PM
 
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I was asking to create a discussion. Bosom of the father piqued my interest.
That disappoints me; I had hoped that you were asking for a better reason. Although the book is rife with references to it, as it should be, what you have stumbled upon is what Jesus and his followers were using to blow open the Jews' grip on spiritual power.

As corruption forced Ayn Rand, a prophet, to attack the church, and corruption motivated much translation of the Bible, so too did Jesus launch an attack against Judaism. The story of Jesus in the wilderness is also the story of Elijah in the wilderness. The fact that Jesus was not an insider of Judaism, despite his forty days, proves that Judaism had gone corrupt, or more accurately: was just as corrupt as it usually had been. Jesus and his group sought to reduce the Jews' power by explaining the details of the experience of the prophets.

The answer to your question is everywhere, as arielmessenger suggests. However, the problem is that the answer is not only useless to those who will never experience it but also damaging. That's the message that Ayn Rand is trying to deliver to us: who cares what Jesus would do? If one is not destined to follow his path all the way to sanctification, then following his path is only destructive. Yet the question serves no benefit: those who are touched by God are going to do what Jesus did without regard to whether or not Jesus did it; they can't help it.

It would be cruel to clearly answer your question because Christianity has reached a level of maturity that allows every person to reach his potential, because one need only read and ponder; any more information given will only hurt worse those who are already misguided with the admonition "what would Jesus do?"

What I will say on your question is this: if you have intense faith, and you put it to works, eventually you'll grasp the entire awful meaning of that verse. You'll be needing God then.

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Old 09-22-2012, 05:08 PM
 
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That disappoints me; I had hoped that you were asking for a better reason. Although the book is rife with references to it, as it should be, what you have stumbled upon is what Jesus and his followers were using to blow open the Jews' grip on spiritual power.

As corruption forced Ayn Rand, a prophet, to attack the church, and corruption motivated much translation of the Bible, so too did Jesus launch an attack against Judaism. The story of Jesus in the wilderness is also the story of Elijah in the wilderness. The fact that Jesus was not an insider of Judaism, despite his forty days, proves that Judaism had gone corrupt, or more accurately: was just as corrupt as it usually had been. Jesus and his group sought to reduce the Jews' power by explaining the details of the experience of the prophets.

The answer to your question is everywhere, as arielmessenger suggests. However, the problem is that the answer is not only useless to those who will never experience it but also damaging. That's the message that Ayn Rand is trying to deliver to us: who cares what Jesus would do? If one is not destined to follow his path all the way to sanctification, then following his path is only destructive. Yet the question serves no benefit: those who are touched by God are going to do what Jesus did without regard to whether or not Jesus did it; they can't help it.

It would be cruel to clearly answer your question because Christianity has reached a level of maturity that allows every person to reach his potential, because one need only read and ponder; any more information given will only hurt worse those who are already misguided with the admonition "what would Jesus do?"

What I will say on your question is this: if you have intense faith, and you put it to works, eventually you'll grasp the entire awful meaning of that verse. You'll be needing God then.

I think you are way out of the ball park. You need to take a deep breath and simply answer the question as best you can. This craziness about Ayn Rand (whoever that is) is not needed. The verse is referring to Jesus and his father. It doesn't go much further than that. Jesus (in a place of honor-as Richard stated) has declared God the father. Just a casual discussion.
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:25 PM
 
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This craziness about Ayn Rand (whoever that is) is not needed.
I think Ayn Rand may be the last major prophet that we'll see, but like the Jews to Jesus, Christians refuse to recognize their corruption: people will always claim adherence to a faith but deny those who understand it. Power corrupts, and Christianity is no different than any other religion in that regard.

Be cautious about whom you abuse.

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Old 09-22-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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I think Ayn Rand may be the last major prophet that we'll see, but like the Jews to Jesus, Christians refuse to recognize their corruption: people will always claim adherence to a faith but deny those who understand it. Power corrupts, and Christianity is no different than any other religion in that regard.

Be cautious about whom you abuse.
whatever you say.
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Old 04-25-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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Bosom also meaning womb that's why it confuse does it means like birth of jesus
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