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Not from what I've seen in real life, Homogenizer. It's a great idea but it doesn't play out that way in reality. People who don't make a strong effort to change will slide back into their old ways, I've seen that again and again. In fact the very parts of the country where "born again" theology rules are the most crime-ridden states ...... and if you believe homosexuality is a sin, by now you should have noticed that "salvation" has little but a temporary effect on the gay lifestyle.
Not from what I've seen in real life, Homogenizer. It's a great idea but it doesn't play out that way in reality. People who don't make a strong effort to change will slide back into their old ways, I've seen that again and again. In fact the very parts of the country where "born again" theology rules are the most crime-ridden states ...... and if you believe homosexuality is a sin, by now you should have noticed that "salvation" has little but a temporary effect on their lifestyle.
Well, I don't worry about God's opinion of homosexuality. I'm not gay, and I have enough timbers to fill a lumber yard before I worry about their preferences. However, like Ron Paul, I don't recognize a justification for the state getting involved in the marriage business in favor of hetero couples, which discriminates against the gays. I hope that settles any underlying motivation that you seem to be revealing.
With regard to your criticism of Christianity: I think Jonah covered that. If it weren't Jonah, it's someone around those last books of the Old Testament. He tears into the Jews about presenting a less than perfect sacrifice to God under the pretense that the sacrifice is highly valuable.
You're describing what such people do. They pretend to have faith, but it's a faith that's corrupt, and we know that it's corrupt because the fruit of a bad vine is bad. So those whose actions are unrepentantly wicked are people whose faith must be in the dark side.
I would say that the admonition to be hot or cold rather than luke warm is also an argument against the pretense of faith without the reality of faith.
Oh goody. We haven't had a Univeralism v's Orthodox Christianity thread for a while.
Salvation is a gift. Most people will reject that gift. Sadly. But such is free will.
John 3:36 says: He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
Matt 10:28 says: And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
NO- not enough- He was the door to salvation..the guide- The only one who is going to save you in the end is yourself- and it will be something that take place between you and God...
Fundamentalists believe that 90% of humanity will reject Jesus' offer and thus be condemned to hell for all eternity. How is that being the "Savior of the world"? Sounds like a much bigger victory for satan and an equally bigger failure for Jesus to me.
If even one person is denied being a member of God's family - then that is a VICTORY for Satan and a failure for God.
If even one person is denied being a member of God's family - then that is a VICTORY for Satan and a failure for God.
The denial is on the part of the individual. The correct term is refusal-the refusal of God's gift. No one is denied. Got it? God never fails, but people do.
The denial is on the part of the individual. The correct term is refusal-the refusal of God's gift. No one is denied. Got it? God never fails, but people do.
Think about what your saying. Your of the belief that God said the wicked need to be able to initiate the salvation of themselves thru belief. Really? Do you really believe God put the salvation of the wicked in their own hands?
Your of the belief that God said the wicked need to be able to initiate the salvation of themselves thru belief. Really?
We're all wicked; that's the human condition. What God instills in us is a calling to be better, an awareness of right and wrong. It is up to each of us to ignore it or rise to it.
NO- not enough- He was the door to salvation..the guide- The only one who is going to save you in the end is yourself- and it will be something that take place between you and God...
EXACTLY...he was the teacher...we as the student just need to follow his teaching. Sadly, very few actually do.
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