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Old 12-15-2012, 06:14 PM
 
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Maybe you should check Christian Mingle for dates.
Ad hominem.
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And, your contention is that prior to the arrival of Christ, the "mind of Christ" did not reside in humans?
Yes. It was accessed sporadically by prophets.
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If you were to wish to continue to use "abide," please explain how you're using the term. It doesn't make sense to me, so I switched to "reside."
There is only one locus for consciousness to reside and that is in the universal field produced by God's consciousness. Our species has a collective human consciousness . . . but prior to Christ it did not possess the attributes to resonate even imperfectly with God's consciousness (Holy Spirit). It remained separate (disconnected) from God's consciousness within the universal field until Christ died and His perfect human consciousness was reborn as Spirit (pure Holy Spirit consciousness). His reborn human consciousness (Holy Spirit) resides within the collective human consciousness connecting it to God. We all have access to it but do not reside in it until we are also reborn as Spirit. That is how Christ simultaneously abides with God and with us as the Comforter within our consciousness.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:26 PM
 
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Ad hominem.
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Yes. It was accessed sporadically by prophets.
On what grounds do you believe that it is now universally accessed?

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Our species has a collective human consciousness . . .
Please define collective and consciousness. And if thought is an aspect of consciousness, please prove that a collective can think as opposed to individuals within a collective thinking.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:27 PM
 
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But we still must reasonably apply his words, and humans and their weaknesses continue to be a problem in application. Therefore, your argument is erroneous.
looks like your question has been answered.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:53 PM
 
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On what grounds do you believe that it is now universally accessed?
Simple. It is in a human consciousness that has been reborn as Spirit and hence it resides where all human consciousness resides . . . within the universal field.
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Please define collective and consciousness. And if thought is an aspect of consciousness, please prove that a collective can think as opposed to individuals within a collective thinking.
It isn't that complex. Each human consciousness is both unique and eternal because of its status as an energy composite. The only locus for such energy composites is the universal field. Every human consciousness is located there. The collective can't think as a collective . . . but they can resonate with each other . . . as for example doing the "Wave" at a sporting event, etc.
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:59 PM
 
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There's another one of those contradictory verses from a God that is portrayed as contradictory by the men who wrote about him...God said later on that the one who sins will be the one who is punished. So what do we believe???
The commandment says "visiting the iniquity" upon the children not the punishment that a parent might deserve. Your children inherit your sinful nature just as the human race at large inherited the sinful nature of Adam and Eve. Sinful people do not give birth to perfect humans. All have sinned in some manner even if not exactly like their parents. All give an account for there own sin once commited. The good news is that the cycle can be broken through Christ.

ROM 5:14-15 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, has abounded unto many."
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:58 AM
 
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Simple. It is in a human consciousness that has been reborn as Spirit and hence it resides where all human consciousness resides . . . within the universal field.
Why were the prophets able to access it without this rebirth?
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:47 AM
 
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Simple. It is in a human consciousness that has been reborn as Spirit and hence it resides where all human consciousness resides . . . within the universal field.It isn't that complex. Each human consciousness is both unique and eternal because of its status as an energy composite. The only locus for such energy composites is the universal field. Every human consciousness is located there. The collective can't think as a collective . . . but they can resonate with each other . . . as for example doing the "Wave" at a sporting event, etc.
Can you show us this from scripture?
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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Why were the prophets able to access it without this rebirth?
Our ancestors all had the potential to do so because like us they were conscious . . . and consciousness does reside within the universal field. But they were far more carnal and savage. It is also unclear whether the full capabilities of our brain were manifest back then. But the OT emphasis on self-control across the generations since Genesis (and eventually under the "schoolmaster") bred more "spiritual" sensitivity into the species (the legacy of Abraham's self-control). The natural diversity within us resulted in some having much greater sensitivity and sporadic contact. Christ manifested the complete contact and as He observed . . . the "fields were ripe for the harvest" . . . meaning our species was ready.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:44 AM
 
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Please define "mind of Christ."


"Mind Of Christ"? = Mind Of Anointing, or Mind Of Anointed One.

"Mind Of The Spirit"

"Let This Mind Be In You Which Is Also In Christ Jesus"
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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Our ancestors all had the potential to do so because like us they were conscious . . . and consciousness does reside within the universal field. But they were far more carnal and savage. It is also unclear whether the full capabilities of our brain were manifest back then. But the OT emphasis on self-control across the generations since Genesis (and eventually under the "schoolmaster") bred more "spiritual" sensitivity into the species (the legacy of Abraham's self-control). The natural diversity within us resulted in some having much greater sensitivity and sporadic contact. Christ manifested the complete contact and as He observed . . . the "fields were ripe for the harvest" . . . meaning our species was ready.
Can you show me this "universal field" in scripture?
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