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Some of my friends had them at their party and Im going to a couple of bachelor party's soon and I know for sure there will have strippers there and mostly everyone there are Christians as well.
Strippers don't do anything for me as it is looking at and throwing money away at a random stranger to shake it, so what are others thoughts on Christians having a stripper at their Bachelor/Bachelorette Party?
Me personally, I will not have any at mines when I have one.
My question to you if you don't like it why are you participating in something ungodly ? I would question your friends decisions for this type of party as it can be done in a better manner ?
An extremely pedantic and pointless question. If something can be stimulated in more than one way then one can always ask the question "Why that one and not this one".
I fail to see the grounding of "Why Strippers" except to simply reply "Why not strippers?"
Relax, first of all, and try to recall the nature of our conversation. It wasn't to identify watching strippers as "wrong". Here is a recap:
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But we are a species that has learned how to super-stimulate existing evolved attributes. Including our desires. And as I said that can be an end in and of itself.
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That doesn't explain or justify anyone watching strippers, though, because you can get the same super-stimulation by first desensitizing yourself as MysticPhD was talking about.
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I think it goes some way to do the former. As I said we enjoy stimulating our desiries sometimes just as much as we enjoy satisfying them. So it very much does explain why we might enjoy watching strippers.
This is when I replied to point out that, no, it really doesn't explain the use of strippers. As I had just finished saying, you can get that stimulation without it, resulting in needing less to stimulate yourself. I agree with Mystic that this is a plus. "Why" is an important question to ask oneself, especially if you're not sure that it's "OK" to watch strippers.
I would put it this way - if someone is truly trying to be the kind of Christian that follows the examples Jesus set, they would not participate in something like this. It's not about "right or wrong" so much as just inappropriate.
I agree with you. It's just like asking should Christians get drunk. If God ain't being glorified in it by our actions and behavior, then in my humble opinion it isn't appropriate to participate.
Usually said by someone who is anything but - to people who could not be more so. Certainly fits this situation anyway.
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try to recall the nature of our conversation. It wasn't to identify watching strippers as "wrong".
Er yes. My point exactly. Yet in post #124 it was you - not me - that brought up the requirement to "justify" going to strippers. As if it needs justification.
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This is when I replied to point out that, no, it really doesn't explain the use of strippers.
But it does and I explained twice how. A third time for you: We are a species that can enjoy the titilation of our desires just as much as satiating them. And strippers and other forms of pornography are very much explained by this.
Usually said by someone who is anything but - to people who could not be more so. Certainly fits this situation anyway.
What on earth are you basing that on. Because I'm basing my "Relax" to you on the fact that you're getting defensive of stripping even when all I did was ask a simple question.
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Er yes. My point exactly. Yet in post #124 it was you - not me - that brought up the requirement to "justify" going to strippers. As if it needs justification.
Because the subject of the thread itself is "Is it wrong...". I was simply pointing out that it did neither, explain (which is what you were arguing) or justify (which is likely the interest of most of the people responding/reading).
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But it does and I explained twice how. A third time for you: We are a species that can enjoy the titilation of our desires just as much as satiating them. And strippers and other forms of pornography are very much explained by this.
Not when titillation of our desires can be accomplished without them.
So no, it doesn't explain it. It is inarguably another way of stimulating these senses, but the question of why one would choose these preferences is still unanswered. It's okay, you don't have to answer it. But at least stop pretending it is 100% understood why people (Christians and non-Christians alike) go to watch them.
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Yes. It is wrong. Lusting after a woman in your heart is the same as adultery as far as God is concerned. That would include ogling a woman at a bachelor's party. You say it doesn't do anything for you....ok....but by being there you may be causing your brother to stumble by emboldening them to do so.
I thought adultery only kicked in after the vows are exchanged?
What on earth are you basing that on. Because I'm basing my "Relax" to you on the fact that you're getting defensive of stripping even when all I did was ask a simple question.
As I indicated - my state of relaxation is perfectly fine thank you. Worry about your own.
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Because the subject of the thread itself is "Is it wrong...". I was simply pointing out that it did neither, explain (which is what you were arguing) or justify (which is likely the interest of most of the people responding/reading).
And yet it does the former - and I addressed the latter.
In terms of the forms the fact we as humans often like to titilate our desires - even without satisfying them - very much does explain our use of strippers - pornography - and cookery shows.
In terms of justification and the thread title - it needs none. Innocent until proven guilty. It is up to those saying it is wrong to justify this. Not those who see no problem with it.
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Not when titillation of our desires can be accomplished without them.
And we can find ways to pass our time without going to movie theatres too. But we do that anyway. There are many pathways to similar ends. Just because several exist - in no way means we have to justify choosing one and not another. Especially not to you.
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So no, it doesn't explain it.
Yes. It does.
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the question of why one would choose these preferences is still unanswered.
Nor does it need to be as I just explained. We do not need to justify to anyone - let alone you - why we would choose one path to an end over another. We are all entirely free to choose whichever one we want. You and I might want to pass some free time. You might choose to read a book. I might choose to practice my capoeira. We both achieved the same thing. Neither of us have to justify our choice of how we went about it.
Similarly there are a multitude of ways to stimulate our desires - because we as a species enjoy the stimulation of desire often as much as the satisfaction of it. Just because someone chooses to stimulate _their_ sexual desire in a way that differs from how you might choose to do so - does not mean they are required to explain or justify their choice to you.
We're just going around in circles at this point, monumentus. I personally see nothing to explain going to strippers in particular. The movies thing would satisfy the same need as that to watch TV - just on a bigger screen. Nothing is changed here. You argued that watching strippers stimulates the senses, but they are the exact same senses involved in any other sexual stimulation. But there is quite a difference between masturbation using your own thoughts or some such and paying to watch a stripper, I submit. Right or wrong, I see no explanation. But I will give you the last word if you want it.
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