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Old 06-15-2013, 01:31 AM
 
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I have often wondered why animals must suffer since they are not accountable to God and not guilty of sin. Does anyone have any insight into this matter? It grieves me to know about the suffering of animals. They are subjected to be hunted, raised and killed for food, tormented by pests in the wild, subjected to starvation, cold, and even subjected to the cruelty of humans who abuse them at times. Why must this be so? Is it irrational for me to feel sorrowful about things like this?
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:43 AM
 
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People say this and that to make their dirty and bad actions to look righteous. Putting a god to say "that is ok and meant to be" is just as empty bull as everything else what comes to religions. Women have no rights either. That is men who wrote a fairytale book to abuse others. That is my honest opinion, sorry if it hurts someones feelings. But your religions and rules also hurt me, don't forget that. 1-1 situation.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:44 AM
 
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I have often wondered why animals must suffer since they are not accountable to God and not guilty of sin. Does anyone have any insight into this matter? It grieves me to know about the suffering of animals. They are subjected to be hunted, raised and killed for food, tormented by pests in the wild, subjected to starvation, cold, and even subjected to the cruelty of humans who abuse them at times. Why must this be so? Is it irrational for me to feel sorrowful about things like this?
It is not irrational . . . it is a sign that your agape love for all life is very strong. That is a good thing.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:57 AM
 
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I have often wondered why animals must suffer since they are not accountable to God and not guilty of sin. Does anyone have any insight into this matter? It grieves me to know about the suffering of animals. They are subjected to be hunted, raised and killed for food, tormented by pests in the wild, subjected to starvation, cold, and even subjected to the cruelty of humans who abuse them at times. Why must this be so? Is it irrational for me to feel sorrowful about things like this?
There's nothing wrong with wishing for a better world! If we cannot dream of a better world, how will we ever build one?
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:19 AM
 
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I have often wondered why animals must suffer since they are not accountable to God and not guilty of sin. Does anyone have any insight into this matter? It grieves me to know about the suffering of animals. They are subjected to be hunted, raised and killed for food, tormented by pests in the wild, subjected to starvation, cold, and even subjected to the cruelty of humans who abuse them at times. Why must this be so? Is it irrational for me to feel sorrowful about things like this?
You ask a very good question HeartSong!

I've also wondered at times why a loving God, who can do anything, would want to create a natural world where animals are brutal to each other as well. For instance the way a pack of wolves will hunt and devour their prey together.

I've come up with answers for this...which can explain it within the theology itself, but not in any satisfying way when it comes to Universal love.
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:44 AM
 
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You ask a very good question HeartSong!

I've also wondered at times why a loving God, who can do anything, would want to create a natural world where animals are brutal to each other as well. For instance the way a pack of wolves will hunt and devour their prey together.

I've come up with answers for this...which can explain it within the theology itself, but not in any satisfying way when it comes to Universal love.
Ditto. It's the one question that really throws a monkey wrench into things and messes with my head. It. sometimes even becomes a deal-breaker in the constant struggle in my own mind between atheism and theism.

The only thing I can come up with, Heartsong, is that God isn't a micro-manager. Perhaps it is simply by virtue of God's very existence that the universe came into being and the processes by which life developed and the consequent outcomes were not God's "plan" but simply what had to be because God IS. The fact that God is love assures that the final outcome will be in harmony with love, because love is the most powerful force influencing all of us.


Maybe it's something akin to a birthing process. The contractions necessary to birth our children are incredibly powerful, thus often painful in our experience. We suffer, but the end result is incredibly joyful and transcendent. Brings to mind that passage in Romans: For we know that all creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.


Just my thoughts.
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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The reason for all bad things in our world is Original Sin, Genesis 3. Our world is broken, and will remain so until the New Heaven and New Earth spoken of in the book of Revelation.
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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The only thing I can come up with, Heartsong, is that God isn't a micro-manager.
But I like to think He is, if He cares about the sparrow as well as you and me.

I'm increasingly of the belief that man is to be His agent in this world, if we would come into our place in Christ. In the order that Adam was the governor of the Garden, we've got a bigger plot of land and more of us to govern. Creation is groaning for who? That's right, the sons of God.

But instead of reigning, we're floundering - a sermon for another Sunday.
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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But I like to think He is, if He cares about the sparrow as well as you and me.

I'm increasingly of the belief that man is to be His agent in this world, if we would come into our place in Christ. In the order that Adam was the governor of the Garden, we've got a bigger plot of land and more of us to govern. Creation is groaning for who? That's right, the sons of God.

But instead of reigning, we're floundering - a sermon for another Sunday.
Hi Elmer. I agree that God loves all creatures. But that doesn't mean he has to be a micro-manager, does it? If man is to be God's agent, why would he micro-manage? Wouldn't that defeat his purpose?
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Old 06-15-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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The reason for all bad things in our world is Original Sin, Genesis 3. Our world is broken, and will remain so until the New Heaven and New Earth spoken of in the book of Revelation.
And who killed the first animal in the garden of Eden?
A: The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. Genesis 3:21

And whose sacrifice to the LORD was found to be acceptable?
[1] Cain, the vegetarian: In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord.
[2] Abel, the animal slaughterer: Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock.
A: (drum roll please ...) The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering Genesis 4:4



And yet who does God curse for being the murderer .... Cain, the vegetarian !!!
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