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The context of scripture is far from your understanding tonytonytony. Water baptism does not save you. It is an act of faith, an outward expression that one does once they are born again given no one has poisoned their mind with the lie that you must do it or you're not saved. Many people do it thinking it saves them. Many people do it because they know they are already saved. Anyone who teaches saved by water baptism is not preaching saved by grace.
I highly suggest you distance yourself from religion and any church or teaching that does not put Jesus at the center. You are saved by grace alone.
The context of scripture is far from your understanding tonytonytony. Water baptism does not save you. It is an act of faith, an outward expression that one does once they are born again given no one has poisoned their mind with the lie that you must do it or you're not saved. Many people do it thinking it saves them. Many people do it because they know they are already saved. Anyone who teaches saved by water baptism is not preaching saved by grace.
I highly suggest you distance yourself from religion and any church or teaching that does not put Jesus at the center. You are saved by grace alone.
Sounds like Tony is one of the Jews that Jesus ran out of the temple.
Still if the Pastor of your church is the leader which Jesus will give him and honor the authority of His position , and God can help His ministries where the Pastor confidence of faith in God will be , and then the Pastor will by Judged on His judgment set before Jesus after his passing from this world by what Jesus did and did not do through Him ....... Then in the questions of the water baptism belief , the Pastor should need to know John 3:5 .....where Jesus said ...``Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God ``......See that does not physically mean people need to be born with 60% water which most are , it means believers need to repent and be water baptized in faith as a command from Jesus in a point of contact to prove the condition to turn from sin and try to Love God .....
Sounds like Tony is one of the Jews that Jesus ran out of the temple.
No, Tony is just hung up on theology like so many here. He sincerely believes what he has been taught. Whether those views cause him to be harsh and judgmental toward others as are some here is not clear, but I don't get that from his posts.
No, Tony is just hung up on theology like so many here. He sincerely believes what he has been taught. Whether those views cause him to be harsh and judgmental toward others as are some here is not clear, but I don't get that from his posts.
He seems to be wanting to follow the law that God gave to Israel and is not for the church and never applied to Gentiles.
Still if the Pastor of your church is the leader which Jesus will give him and honor the authority of His position , and God can help His ministries where the Pastor confidence of faith in God will be , and then the Pastor will by Judged on His judgment set before Jesus after his passing from this world by what Jesus did and did not do through Him ....... Then in the questions of the water baptism belief , the Pastor should need to know John 3:5 .....where Jesus said ...``Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God ``......See that does not physically mean people need to be born with 60% water which most are , it means believers need to repent and be water baptized in faith as a command from Jesus in a point of contact to prove the condition to turn from sin and try to Love God .....
This is not true. What you're saying is the person is saved when they are water baptized and not after they are born again, which contradicts everything the bible says about salvation. Religion has done its job well in keeping works in the church. This idea of "perform to qualify" to be accepted by God. It is all heresy and an insult to God's grace. Water baptism is nothing more than a fruit of a believer, not the root of salvation. The root of salvation is Jesus who causes people to be born again which happens after you hear the truth about Jesus and then believe in Him.
This is not true. What you're saying is the person is saved when they are water baptized and not after they are born again, which contradicts everything the bible says about salvation. Religion has done its job well in keeping works in the church. This idea of "perform to qualify" to be accepted by God. It is all heresy and an insult to God's grace. Water baptism is nothing more than a fruit of a believer, not the root of salvation. The root of salvation is Jesus who causes people to be born again which happens after you hear the truth about Jesus and then believe in Him.
You are exactly right. Trying to add a work to the completed work of Jesus is rejecting Grace and turning from Jesus to try and earn your salvation under the law.
You are exactly right. Trying to add a work to the completed work of Jesus is rejecting Grace and turning from Jesus to try and earn your salvation under the law.
There are more than one scripture like Mark 16:16 to support Tony's position. To deny what is said is outside the perceptions of plenary inspiration and inerrancy.
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Sorry, had to stop after the third line. Couldn't stand to read that many misuses of the word "their."
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