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Why do you Fundies always have to go dragging devils and fallen angels into this? Who cares???
Isn't it enough for you that God promised He would save all humans? "And ALL will see the salvation of God"
Why not content yourselves with that instead of dragging red herrings into the conversation.
Nowhere in scripture does it say all will be saved. If all people will be saved don't you think scripture would be a little more clear on it? Why does it have to be so discrete that all you and other universalists can do is stretch what scripture says, take it out of context and fool yourself into thinking all will be saved?
Nowhere in scripture does it say all will be saved. If all people will be saved don't you think scripture would be a little more clear on it? Why does it have to be so discrete that all you and other universalists can do is stretch what scripture says, take it out of context and fool yourself into thinking all will be saved?
Listen, romans . . . it is not WILL BE saved. Do you think Christ failed or endured what He did for nothing? Christ achieved our salvation, period . . . there is no WILL BE about it. Our only concern is with sanctification under His perfect love. That requires that we do what He told His disciples to do . . . "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't.
Hebrews 2:15 And also that He might deliver and completely set free all those who through the [haunting] fear of death were held in bondage throughout the whole course of their lives.
He is the liberator of all who are held captive by the fear of death.
Your questions here are very valid, Paul. I too have wondered, "well, if the Bible says that Jesus "put away sin by the sacrifice of himself," then it looks as though sin has been truly "put away." As in, "enough of this stuff."
It is truly an important question: Did Jesus succeed in what he said he came to do?
Or in other words: Did Jesus actually do all the things that the NT writers said he did?
Because if we confess that Jesus succeeded in his calling/ministry/mission, then we have to come to grips with certain very provocative and thought-provoking scriptures, such as Heb. 2.15.
Did he really set mankind free from the bondage of sin and death? Did he really give all mankind justification of Life? (see Romans 5.17-21)
Because anyone can still choose to believe in Jesus or not. If you choose not to believe in Him then you are choosing the tree of knowledge instead of the tree of life which is Jesus.
Anyone can choose? That is not a true statement. There are millions who cannot choose Christ.
Nowhere in scripture does it say all will be saved. If all people will be saved don't you think scripture would be a little more clear on it? Why does it have to be so discrete that all you and other universalists can do is stretch what scripture says, take it out of context and fool yourself into thinking all will be saved?
They don't care about Scripture - unless it supports their theology.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Is hell all you guys ever talk about?
There's that, faith and works, and the Bible has mistakes and can't be taken literally. That's about it. Every so often, they will stop and pat themselves on the back.
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