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Old 08-20-2013, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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What is your authority for this?
Experience.

Yeah, I know - when the veracity of my experience is matched against a thousands-years-old book written by hundreds of different people over hundreds of years and then copied a few thousand times by folks of various countries/languages/backgrounds, many of which have their own agendas to promulgate - it's no contest.

Cling to your bible my friend - it's obviously the only flotsam in your personal sea.

I can only hope that others are capable of opening their hearts, minds and spirits to the greater truths.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:48 PM
 
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The wages of sin is death. The ultimate fate of everyone is to become God's Children.
It does Not say the wages of sin is: Resurrection.
In order to become a child of God one has to have a resurrection from death. Death's sleep. [ Daniel 12 vs 2,13 ]

Since the price one pays for one's sins is death, what is death ?
According to Jesus: death = sleep [ see John 11 vs 11-14 ]

What is the fate of those of Hebrews 6 vs 4-6 ?_____
What is the fate of those of Matthew 12 v 32 ?______
What is the fate of those of Revelation 21 v 8 ?_____
What was the fate of Adam according to Genesis 3 v 19 ?______
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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If they lived a decent life, doing more good than harm, they'll be fine.

If the reverse - I believe their path to "otherness" may take longer and be a tad more arduous than their more beneficent brethren.
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Experience.

Yeah, I know - when the veracity of my experience is matched against a thousands-years-old book written by hundreds of different people over hundreds of years and then copied a few thousand times by folks of various countries/languages/backgrounds, many of which have their own agendas to promulgate - it's no contest.

Cling to your bible my friend - it's obviously the only flotsam in your personal sea.

I can only hope that others are capable of opening their hearts, minds and spirits to the greater truths.
But you haven't had that experience, so you don't really know.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Somewhere
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Here, you are speaking of unbelievers.



These passages are speaking to believers.

You're trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Luke 16, John 3, and other passages clearly show that the unrighteous will never inherit the kingdom of God.
You'll have to be more specific. Post the exact verses and we can look at them in depth but let's not try to swallow to much at one time.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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It does Not say the wages of sin is: Resurrection.
In order to become a child of God one has to have a resurrection from death. Death's sleep. [ Daniel 12 vs 2,13 ]

Since the price one pays for one's sins is death, what is death ?
According to Jesus: death = sleep [ see John 11 vs 11-14 ]

What is the fate of those of Hebrews 6 vs 4-6 ?_____
What is the fate of those of Matthew 12 v 32 ?______
What is the fate of those of Revelation 21 v 8 ?_____
What was the fate of Adam according to Genesis 3 v 19 ?______
The ultimate fate of everyone will be the Life of God.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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You'll have to be more specific. Post the exact verses and we can look at them in depth but let's not try to swallow to much at one time.
It was your posts. #9 and #24.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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But you haven't had that experience, so you don't really know.
I know what I experienced. You don't.

And all you "know" is what you think you comprehend about what a bunch of people wrote thousands of years ago.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I know what I experienced. You don't.

And all you "know" is what you think you comprehend about what a bunch of people wrote thousands of years ago.
What I meant was, you haven't experienced death and judgement. Therefore, your opinion about what happens after death is just a guess.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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What I meant was, you haven't experienced death and judgement. Therefore, your opinion about what happens after death is just a guess.
I have experienced near-death and most certainly faced judgement at that time.

My opinion is not a guess.

Your interpretation of your bible is, though.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I have experienced near-death and most certainly faced judgement at that time.

My opinion is not a guess.

Your interpretation of your bible is, though.
I apologize. I did not know you had a NDE. Have you posted your story somewhere? I'd love to read it.

If not, I'd like to know your judgement experience.
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