What is your opinion of Adam and Eve? (messages, myth, woman)
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Do you see them as being responsible for all of the misery that is part of the human experience? Do you look at them as "the bad guys," as the ones who messed things up for all of the rest of us, or do you see their decision to eat the forbidden fruit as having brought about something good as well as something bad?
Do you see them as being responsible for all of the misery that is part of the human experience? Do you look at them as "the bad guys," as the ones who messed things up for all of the rest of us, or do you see their decision to eat the forbidden fruit as having brought about something good as well as something bad?
Thanks, Julian. Could you elaborate a little more? Since you refer to them as "symbols," I'm assuming you don't believe they actually existed. I'm wondering, though, if you see them exclusively as representing our flaws. Or might they have a slightly less negative connotation?
Thanks, Julian. Could you elaborate a little more? Since you refer to them as "symbols," I'm assuming you don't believe they actually existed. I'm wondering, though, if you see them exclusively as representing our flaws. Or might they have a slightly less negative connotation?
If I had to write the history of creation and if I lived thousands of years ago i would have come up with Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve are fictitious characters.
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The Sumerian word for “rib” is "ti", and "woman" is "nin". The goddess created for the healing of Enki’s rib was therefore called in Sumerian "Nin-ti", “the lady of the rib.” But the very same Sumerian word "ti" also means “to make live.” The name "Nin-ti" may thus mean “the lady who makes live,” as well as “the lady of the rib.” In Sumerian literature, therefore, “the lady of the rib” came to be identified with “the lady who makes live” through what might be termed a play on words. (Kramer, Mythologies 103)
Kramer suggests that the passage in Genesis where Eve, “the mother of all living” is taken from Adam’s rib may be an echo of this Sumerian pun. Enki felt a pain in his "rib" which is identical to the word "life". To relieve Enki, Ninhursag created a new god named "Nin-ti" or “Lady of Life or Rib”.
Yes, of course. This history should be standard in any higher education curriculum. I learned this at a Jesuit University, along with the tons of other quirks in translation that makes current translations of the bible from Greek or whatever, quite questionable. We learned that those who wrote the bible, old testament and new, were simply fashioning the stories to appeal to the religious (Jewish) and politics (Rome) of the day. They were parables, stories, nothing more. To me, going through catholic schooling all the way for 16 years, the people who believe the bible literally simply must be uneducated or if educated, have a lower level of higher education. I no longer adhere to the catholic religion of course, but still, they at least taught the truth and taught me to think.
Do you see them as being responsible for all of the misery that is part of the human experience? Do you look at them as "the bad guys," as the ones who messed things up for all of the rest of us, or do you see their decision to eat the forbidden fruit as having brought about something good as well as something bad?
Is it so much ' them ' or rather ' him' ?_____
Eve was deceived - 1st Tim. 2 v 14
Romans chapter 5 places the blame squarely one man Adam.
In other words, Adam did Not have to listen to his wife's voice over God.
So, it was Adam's decision that brought about our sinful leanings.
People giving in to sinful leanings is what brings about a lot of the woe on earth.
Because we were all born after Adam made himself into a self-made sinner is why we are born with a sin-like birth defect.
No matter how hard we try we can not stop sinning.
A defect inherited from father Adam that makes us genetically prone to sin. It's sin's law that urges us to do wrong.
We need a new father. Because a sinless Jesus [ Heb. 4 v 15 ] died a faithful death for us, and now has the keys to resurrect us [ Rev. 1 v 18 ], then because of the resurrection Jesus replaces Adam as father. The word father means ' life giver ' and Jesus gives us back our life via the resurrection and is now our Eternal Father, or eternal life giver.
Do you see them as being responsible for all of the misery that is part of the human experience? Do you look at them as "the bad guys," as the ones who messed things up for all of the rest of us, or do you see their decision to eat the forbidden fruit as having brought about something good as well as something bad?
We have an innate knowledge of good and evil, but we live by and through our experiences. To the one who knows the right things to do, but does not do them – to him/her it is sin.
Do you see them as being responsible for all of the misery that is part of the human experience? Do you look at them as "the bad guys," as the ones who messed things up for all of the rest of us, or do you see their decision to eat the forbidden fruit as having brought about something good as well as something bad?
Adam caused the fall of the human race, but it was a good thing and simply advanced God's predetermined plan. God had always known Adam would disobey Him. Before the fall Adam's relationship with God depended upon him remaining perfectly obedient to God. As long as Adam was obedient to the one prohibition which God had imposed upon him his righteousness was acceptable to God. But as soon as he disobeyed God his righteousness became imperfect and no longer met God's perfect standard of righteousness. Since Adam was the federal head of the human race which was seminally in him, the entire human race fell in Adam.
And so God immediately promised that a Savior would come into the world and pay the penalty for every sin of the human race. As a result of the fall and God's provision of salvation, the person who trusts in the Messiah (before Jesus came historically they believed in the promise of His coming, while we look back at the Cross) is credited with the very righteousness of God which means that his eternal relationship with God does not depend on his own righteousness, but on having been imputed with God's perfect righteousness and then declared justified.
And therefore the believer cannot lose his salvation whereas before the fall Adam's relationship with God depended on not disobeying God.
But that is not a license to sin. God does discipline the errant believer as a son.
And so while Adam's disobedience did cause the fall and caused a curse on nature, it resulted in something very, very good. The eternal security of anyone who simply believes on Christ.
Anyone of us in Adam's and Eve's place would have done just as they did.
There is not much substance in there. it is just mythology copied from other more ancient religions. However, that does not change the message or the meaning of the bible. Adam and Eve do not need to be real.
Some say Mary was the new Eve. and that is why Mary had to be the product of an Immaculate Conception.
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