The Protestant Achilles' Heel (priest, Jesus Christ, Bible, Kingdom)
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For the same reason you wouldn't believe me if I said my words were inspired by God.
I'm sorry, but that makes zero sense. You're suggesting that I WOULDN'T believe the words of those men that we all supposedly consider inspired.....over modern-day men for the same reason I WOULDN'T believe you?
What? Did you want to take a second and reconsider your statement?
I'm sorry, but that makes zero sense. You're suggesting that I WOULDN'T believe the words of those men that we all supposedly consider inspired.....over modern-day men for the same reason I WOULDN'T believe you?
What? Did you want to take a second and reconsider your statement?
I'll use small words:
I don't believe the anonymous men who say they wrote god's words in the bible for the same reason you wouldn't believe me if I said god spoke to me.
Of course he walked with the risen Jesus and talked with the risen Jesus and got revelations from the risen Jesus. It was God and Jesus who made him the apostle of the nations.
Peter was the leader of the Circumcision church, not the leader of the uncircumcision church of the nations. Paul was the apostle of the church of the nations.
You may good points, but Paul did not get the keys.
The gift of the Holy Spirit was not to the apostles alone but to all believers same with the signs that fallow all whom believe.
Jesus said so.
And it is so.
To rely on the academic, in place of the spiritual, is an insult to Jesus/God's investment.
If a little child can find salvation and obey God , then why are men clamoring for knowledge that only divides rather than seeking the Spirit of God for their direction in life ?
If you do not need God to teach you , what's the point ?
Men taught of the Holy Spirit, do not agree because they sat down and compared the same notes a group has selected, the agree because the Holy Spirit is their teacher .
Cults rely on their books and their hierarchy to say , it is so because we said it is so, and we have this many people whom agree with us . big deal.
Men of God often stand alone ,against the face of religious teaching, and know their accountability is before Jesus "not any man ."
Matthew 7;21,22,23, Jesus will be making the determination whom He knows and whom has simply been abusing HIs name for their own purposes noble or not .
Fact is , if a man is not obeying God on a personal realtime level ,he has no relationship . Because that is what Jesus provided to His believers.
This obedience is a work, but noble self generated works do not substitute , fact of the matter often create a greater problem than answering a need from Gods perspective.
The obedient response to God's instruction is the work of obedience, not the deed it's self, as though redoing it would accomplish the same result.
Moses failed relying on just that .
Rituals create just that.
Attempting to manipulate God via some prescribed prayer or fallowing some routine outlined by the church, is kin to an incantation witches use to summon demons.
God is not operated .
One cooperates with God, and fallows His agendas on a personal and moment by moment basis unless otherwise directly instructed.
Jesus said,"the way is narrow and few there be that find it. " He wasn't kidding.
I don't believe the anonymous men who say they wrote god's words in the bible for the same reason you wouldn't believe me if I said god spoke to me.
Got it now?
Maybe you should have phrased it that way. Your original statement said the opposite.
The thing is, both the RCC and most Protestants agree that the words of the apostles are inspired. If that is the case, there is no reason to believe a guy living in the Vatican today over them.
Maybe you should have phrased it that way. Your original statement said the opposite.
The thing is, both the RCC and most Protestants agree that the words of the apostles are inspired. If that is the case, there is no reason to believe a guy living in the Vatican today over them.
My original statement is crystal clear to me. But I'm glad you now understand my point.
The apostles may well have believed their words were inspired. But it's my understanding that they didn't write the books attributed to their names. Anonymous "others" did. It's those "others'" words that you follow, not those of the apostles or Jesus or god.
My original statement is crystal clear to me. But I'm glad you now understand my point.
The apostles may well have believed their words were inspired. But it's my understanding that they didn't write the books attributed to their names. Anonymous "others" did. It's those "others'" words that you follow, not those of the apostles or Jesus or god.
Please don't tell me who I follow. This whole argument is about the fact that I'd rather believe the words of Jesus and the Apostles over others.
Please don't tell me who I follow. This whole argument is about the fact that I'd rather believe the words of Jesus and the Apostles over others.
Get real, Vizio. We do not HAVE the words of Jesus or the Apostles first hand . . . that is why we have the New Covenant and God has "written in our hearts." We have the Comforter to guide us to the truth that is there . . . NOT to override what is there by the words "written in ink" and the "precepts and doctrines of men" created by them as dogma.
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