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Old 04-03-2014, 10:51 PM
 
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Most Fundamentalists live more by the Old Testament.
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:01 AM
 
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Just exactly how is that accomplished, Julian? Magic???? Why do you defend the single most consistently corrupt (and wrong) religious institution? With methods and policies that serve only to emphasize its disgraceful savage ignorance, barbarity and corruption!
God has no interest in brick and mortar institutions and their hierarchies . . . let alone majestic Cathedrals and extravagant displays and accumulations of wealth. You may appreciate them esthetically, Julian . . . but they herald the corruption and evil resident within the institution.
I guess you need to be a Catholic to get it.


I was born catholic and hence it is part of my cultural heritage. I understand it is only religion, but it is the original form of Christianity.


I also admit that MEN make errors, but the Church remains Holy and Apostolic. And as expected was barbaric in ancient times, just like everyone else.

And it remains responsible for a huge chunk of western civilization.
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Old 04-04-2014, 04:29 PM
 
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I guess you need to be a Catholic to get it.


I was born catholic and hence it is part of my cultural heritage. I understand it is only religion, but it is the original form of Christianity.


I also admit that MEN make errors, but the Church remains Holy and Apostolic. And as expected was barbaric in ancient times, just like everyone else.

And it remains responsible for a huge chunk of western civilization.
On another thread I mentioned that the Apostles that Jesus chose himself, denied him, abandoned him, and turned him in to be crucified.

12 out of 12 in one way or more freely chose to go against the Christ, and do evil against him.

Out of 266 Popes over the last 2000 yrs. there have been only 8 that are said to have been corrupt.

Can we assume the evil church of men, has had much greater odds at choosing righteous and good people, than the Lord Jesus?

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Old 04-04-2014, 04:34 PM
 
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On another thread I mentioned that the Apostles that Jesus chose himself, denied him, abandoned him, and turned him in to be crucified.

12 out of 12 in one way or more freely chose to go against the Christ, and do evil against him.

Out of 266 Popes over the last 2000 yrs. there have been only 8 that are said to have been corrupt.

Can we assume the evil church of men, has had much greater odds at choosing righteous and good people, than the Lord Jesus?
Wow, exalting men, who claim equality with the apostles, over them.

That explains your problem with not seeing the errors in the RCC and its Popes.
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Old 04-04-2014, 04:34 PM
 
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Most Fundamentalists live more by the Old Testament.
Not exactly true... don't see any sacrifices on the altar taking place on a regular basis...

We are talking about the same God - so yeah, there will be some resemblance.
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Old 04-04-2014, 04:35 PM
 
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I guess you need to be a Catholic to get it.


I was born catholic and hence it is part of my cultural heritage. I understand it is only religion, but it is the original form of Christianity.

But it isn't the original form of Christianity or church nor even close to its form. It just claims to be.
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Old 04-04-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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But it isn't the original form of Christianity or church nor even close to its form. It just claims to be.
The Church is supposed to grow with the times. It cannot get stuck in the era of 2,000 years ago.

For example, in medieval times there was a time when folks in the Church believed that only Catholic were saved. Today the Catechism states that salvation is for ALL mankind. Even for those that do not know Jesus through no fault of their own. The Catechism also states Jews and Muslims can be saved.

OTOH, sometimes I think fundamentalists have regressed and do not accept this simple concept. They are back in ancient times.

In any event the Church is Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.
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Old 04-04-2014, 05:16 PM
 
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Wow, exalting men, who claim equality with the apostles, over them.

That explains your problem with not seeing the errors in the RCC and its Popes.
Facts are facts. They can't be denied nor shouldn't be overlooked.
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Old 04-04-2014, 05:18 PM
 
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But it isn't the original form of Christianity or church nor even close to its form. It just claims to be.
expatCA - Would you tell us about the original form of Christianity or Church. And for the 10th time, where is that one true Church?
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:03 PM
 
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Not exactly true... don't see any sacrifices on the altar taking place on a regular basis...

We are talking about the same God - so yeah, there will be some resemblance.
Now THAT would certainly pep up an otherwise boring sermon.
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