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Old 04-21-2014, 08:07 AM
 
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We don't know what Jesus did between the time He arose and the women went to the tomb on Sunday morning. I don't think knowing that is needed for salvation or serving God, do you?
No, any more than I think it is necessary to think that He rose in the evening after the Sabbath.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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No, any more than I think it is necessary to think that He rose in the evening after the Sabbath.
OK! I don't know the exact time. I am pretty sure it was during the darkness of the First day of the week. Since it happened after the Sabbath (after sundown Saturday) and prior to sunrise on Sunday morning when the women went to the tomb and found Him gone.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:22 AM
 
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He understood them just fine. The problem is that his understanding does not align with yours, but that doesn't make his incorrect.
I just wanted to warn you so you cannot say God did not send someone to tell you.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:49 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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It would be helpful if you found someone who understood the biblical languages and proper interpretation rather than A.E. Knoch. That explains much of your error right there.
Interesting that you noticed that and the subsequent admission to it.

Counterfeit teachers like Knoch are identifiable the same way as counterfeit currency is .... which is to be thoroughly acquainted with original. 2 Thessalonians 2:2

God speaks through his Word, Satan counters with counterfeits that speak for him.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:59 AM
 
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We don't know what Jesus did between the time He arose and the women went to the tomb on Sunday morning. I don't think knowing that is needed for salvation or serving God, do you?
When a man falls in love with a woman, he wants to know everything about her - what she thinks, where she grew up, her favorite books and movies - everything.

In a similar way, when we love God, we want to know as much about Him as we can learn - we study the scriptures, we pray, we go to Church (to be with other believers, to worship communally, and hear teaching), we read books and spend time online in Christian forums.

Therefore, the desire to know what happened to Jesus between the crucifixion and the resurrection is natural even if it is not needed for salvation.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church provides some answers for us:
"HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN"

631 Jesus "descended into the lower parts of the earth. He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens."476 The Apostles' Creed confesses in the same article Christ's descent into hell and his Resurrection from the dead on the third day, because in his Passover it was precisely out of the depths of death that he made life spring forth:
Christ, that Morning Star, who came back from the dead, and shed his peaceful light on all mankind, your Son who lives and reigns for ever and ever. Amen.477
Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell

632 The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.478 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.479

633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.480 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom":481 "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."482 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.483

634 "The gospel was preached even to the dead."484 The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfillment. This is the last phase of Jesus' messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ's redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.

635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."485 Jesus, "the Author of life", by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."486 Henceforth the risen Christ holds "the keys of Death and Hades", so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."487
Today a great silence reigns on earth, a great silence and a great stillness. A great silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and he has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. . . He has gone to search for Adam, our first father, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow Adam in his bonds and Eve, captive with him - He who is both their God and the son of Eve. . . "I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. . . I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead."488
IN BRIEF

636 By the expression "He descended into hell", the Apostles' Creed confesses that Jesus did really die and through his death for us conquered death and the devil "who has the power of death" (Heb 2:14).

637 In his human soul united to his divine person, the dead Christ went down to the realm of the dead. He opened heaven's gates for the just who had gone before him.

Copyright permission for posting of the English translation of the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH on the Saint Charles Borromeo Catholic Church web site was granted by Amministrazione Del Patrimonio Della Sede Apostolica, case number 130389.

Hope this helps.
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Diocese of Raleigh
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So why does modern Christianity today keep a day with the name of a pagan goddess placed on it that is not even commanded to be kept in the Scriptures?
Consider the fate of the pagan religions.

Catholics overran pagan cities, towns and lands, bought and occupied pagan buildings and temples, altered pagan art, music and literature, absorbed and replaced pagan harvest festivals and religious feasts, and, above all, won over and converted the pagan people themselves. In doing so, Catholics brought all things under the dominion of the one true God, Jesus Christ.

Isn't that what He wanted us to do (cf. Mt 28:19)?
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Old 04-21-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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Catholics didnt over run, they merged those activates into the faith to make it easier for the pagans to become Christians.
They pretty much just slapped the name Jesus on top of everything and thought all is well now.

If they truly overran pagan cities and wanted to fully follow biblical traditions, we would not have any St. (INSERT NAME) Holidays, Good Friday, Easter, Easter Bunny, Easter Egg Hunts, Hot Cross buns around Easter, Easter ham, lent, Santa, Elves, Reindeer, Mistletoe, 12 days of Christmas, or Halloween.
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Old 04-21-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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When a man falls in love with a woman, he wants to know everything about her - what she thinks, where she grew up, her favorite books and movies - everything.

In a similar way, when we love God, we want to know as much about Him as we can learn - we study the scriptures, we pray, we go to Church (to be with other believers, to worship communally, and hear teaching), we read books and spend time online in Christian forums.

Therefore, the desire to know what happened to Jesus between the crucifixion and the resurrection is natural even if it is not needed for salvation.

The

Hope this helps.
No this does not help since it is not addressing what we are discussing.

I realize you want to copy and paste your religions teachings on every thing said but you are not addressing the time period we are discussing. Please re-read the post and limit you personal comments to what is being discussed.
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Old 04-21-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Interesting that you noticed that and the subsequent admission to it.

Counterfeit teachers like Knoch are identifiable the same way as counterfeit currency is .... which is to be thoroughly acquainted with original. 2 Thessalonians 2:2

God speaks through his Word, Satan counters with counterfeits that speak for him.
What an excellent, theologically accurate statement. I shall make a note of it and credit you whenever I use it.
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Diocese of Raleigh
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Catholics didnt over run, they merged those activates into the faith to make it easier for the pagans to become Christians.
They pretty much just slapped the name Jesus on top of everything and thought all is well now.

If they truly overran pagan cities and wanted to fully follow biblical traditions, we would not have any St. (INSERT NAME) Holidays, Good Friday, Easter, Easter Bunny, Easter Egg Hunts, Hot Cross buns around Easter, Easter ham, lent, Santa, Elves, Reindeer, Mistletoe, 12 days of Christmas, or Halloween.
7th Day Adventist or JW?
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