[quote=CRCarson;34476971]Not until 2033 anyway.[quote] The first church was in Jerusalem and their bishop was James and not Peter. That shows us that there is a difference of a bishop and an Apostle Peter who was one of the founders of that church. If you believe that the RCC is the same as the Jerusalem church, which had no Pope Peter, that is fine with me, I do not believe it, because I have my reasons, but this would be a new thread.
Sure they do. They know those verses, too. But what they know that you don't is that the Greek and Aramaic of one verse says that Peter is the rock.[quote] A human is not a rock, so you cannot take that literally, it has to be interpreted, and there we differ. I believe as your saint Augustine believes, very Catholic. That other Catholics believe as you, does not matter. No big deal.
His vicar, yes. Well said. [quote] You missed my words "under Christ authority", Peter sinned, denying the Lord, so Jesus had to restore him, I do not think that he lost the keys, but Jesus did not call him Peter, but Simon, son of Jonas again (John 21:15-17). To get authority does not mean, we can not lose it as you claim. Wicked Popes are fallen away and are not the rock, or a successor of Peter.
John 1:42
And he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas” (which, when translated, is Peter). Here Peter is called a stone, a little rock of the big rock Jesus. I have to correct myself, Jesus did not change Simon's name, His name became Simon Peter (as surname) (Mar 3:16; Joh 6:68; Acts 10:5). After that Jesus called him Simon and not Peter in Mar 14:37; Luke 7:40; Luke 22:31.
Some have been ordained Bishop of Rome. Those are called popes today.
If you would agree that the RCC made the bishop of Rome the Pope, you would not need to tell me how Peter became the bishop of Rome, there is no scripture nor other evidence. That Rome became preeminence, no question, but that happened by earthly power through Rome in a wicked way.
Peter was the head of the early church, and if Peter had died in Antioch, his successor in Antioch would be the head of the Church today. [quote] That means where the dead body of Peter is their is the head of the church, the Pope. So the Roman Emperor who crucified Peter is responsible for the Vatican being in Rome, I did not knew that.
Jesus ordained Peter and the apostles.
I asked who ordained Peter as bishop of Rome. You just claim that he was. Just religion, you have to believe it, called faith. But the RCC is worse, if you do not believe it, you are anathema, you have no choice as a Catholic. They curse not only with over 100 curses the Protestants, but also their own members and they cannot cancel the curses, they are spoken infallible. Big problem for a church that wants to bring back the Protestants, who are not protesting any more. But who cares which laws a church has, that was the middle ages, now it is different. But if this church cannot err, this laws stand and the devil will surely claim them. I hope you will come out by the grace of God, I do not know, it is your faith, not mine.
It is a word or title that simply means "father". That title was applied later to the office that always existed. [quote]
Can you give a scripture for that office, I mean another than the rock and keys. Jesus gave the leadership to Peter, James and John. James was killed in Jerusalem, Peter in Rome, why does John not become the leader? Was he not an Apostle, much higher in rank than the bishop of Rome, Linus. I can tell you, why he was not the successor, he was on Patmos near Ephesus, which kept the apostolic tradition, in contrast to Rome, who preferred pagan traditions. This a historical fact.
Correct. What you wrote here is complete myth. Whew!
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Thank you!
Can you provide any documentation that any pope has ever declared himself God? Thanks. [quote}
I have read about it, I do not remember names. I do not want to go into the history of the popes and the RCC again. If 10% is true, it is still too much. But the church is very good in cover up. Have your way. Every thing will come to light, God is a righteous judge.
Based on this pope, it is abundantly clear who is in serious error. I suggest more reading.
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I admit that Pope Francis is different. But I do not believe that he has any power to change anything. He has to establish the one world religion and will compromise with truth, that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father, but by Him.
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