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Who has made the claim there was such a place other than Pcamps?
Where do those end up who are not saved from themselves,?, if you cannot answer this simple question without being coy and evasive, why should we bother listening to anything you have to say?. Or do you think the bible does not tell us ?. We know you and Finn Jarber do not believe all are saved, so where do the unsaved end up?.
It is only a matter of time before you slip up and prove that you ultimately believe you are saved from eternal hell, for the day always declares it.
Where do those end up who are not saved from themselves,?, if you cannot answer this simple question without being coy and evasive, why should we bother listening to anything you have to say?. Or do you think the bible does not tell us ?. We know you and Finn Jarber do not believe all are saved, so where do the unsaved end up?.
To punish all those who do not believe what they do, i think they call it God being just.
Suffering eternal torment for not believing something is just?
The punishment should fit the crime:
"For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them."
Suffering eternal torment for not believing something is just?
The punishment should fit the crime:
"For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them."
~ Thomas More, Utopia
Marvelous quote. Any reasonably minded man would look at this and acknowledge it is true.
Yes . . . it is called education and for Sola Scriptura folk it means using the dreaded "wisdom of man" along with what is "written in our hearts." The other reason is a lack of bias and open sincerity. We take NO "precepts and doctrines of men" with us when we query our heart. We don't want to tell ourselves what we SHOULD find there according to dogma.
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Who is "we"? Everyone who agrees with your view?
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Yes. It negates the purpose of the New Covenant to bring the "precepts and doctrines of men" into any questioning of the heart under the guidance of the Comforter. The words "written in ink" and the "letter killteh" . . . but the Spirit "giveth life."
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No bias, eh? LOL You're saying everyone who agrees with you is better educated, have advanced knowledge, have no bias, are guided by the Spirit, are sincere etc, and everyone who does not agree is uneducated, biased, spiritless, insincere etc.....
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Read more carefully, Finn. I said those who agree with me doNOT "bring the "precepts and doctrines of men" into any questioning of the heart under the guidance of the Comforter. The words "written in ink" and the "letter killteh" . . . but the Spirit "giveth life." . . . NOT what you just said. Why must you always put your words in people's mouths like that, Finn? We are just witnessing to our understanding.
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I read all three posts from you carefully. You mentioned everything I said, so I am not putting anything in your month. They came from your mouth.
I said : so you say everyone who agrees with you is better educated, have advanced knowledge, have no bias, are guided by the Spirit, are sincere.
Anyone who believes in Sola Scriptura and a refusal to use the "wisdom of man" warrants the legitimate criticism about their education and the failure to use of advanced knowledge. I also carefully defined what I meant by no bias and sincerity, Finn. I made no generic slurs against anyone as you intimate with your accusation and phrasing. Any person who bringsthe "precepts and doctrines of men" into any questioning of the heart under the guidance of the Comforter is biased and not sincerely seeking the truth. They are seeking confirmation of what they THINK they are supposed to believe.
Anyone who believes in Sola Scriptura and a refusal to use the "wisdom of man" warrants the legitimate criticism about their education and the failure to use of advanced knowledge. I also carefully defined what I meant by no bias and sincerity, Finn. I made no generic slurs against anyone as you intimate with your accusation and phrasing. Any person who bringsthe "precepts and doctrines of men" into any questioning of the heart under the guidance of the Comforter is biased and not sincerely seeking the truth. They are seeking confirmation of what they THINK they are supposed to believe.
I challenge you to prove your statement is true. Moderator cut: delete Are you up to the challenge?
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Reason: Calling other member a "liar" only adds contention to thread and is attacking.
Since you are knocking around Rightly Divided, can you look at post # 103 and let me know what you think. Thanks in advance for your willingness to do so. Xxx
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You're saying everyone who agrees with you is better educated, have advanced knowledge, have no bias, are guided by the Spirit, are sincere etc, and everyone who does not agree is uneducated, biased, spiritless, insincere etc.....