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Most observers have focused on the fact that Holy Innocents — not only the frenetic Garment District’s oldest house of worship, but its oldest structure — is the city’s only church hosting a daily traditional Latin Mass, the Mass that defined Catholic worship for centuries, if not millennia.
I think it is a shame to close these old and wonderfully beautiful churches, especially one that does the Latin Mass. The Latin Mass is one of the most beautiful services. I don't agree with the Catholic religion, but this church is a beautiful church. I have visited while in New York a while back. I love going to really older churches. It is a shame. I hope that they can save it and leave it open.
According to Father Z's blog another in NYC, Fr. Rutler’s parish St. Michael’s in Hell’s Kitchen has been recommended to committee for closure.
St Michael's
Excerpt from one of Father Wylie's sermons at Holy Innocents;
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I worry about the situation of traditional Catholics in the Archdiocese. Yes, the archdiocese ‘permits’ a traditional mass here or there — but responsibility for the matter continues to rest upon the initiative and resourcefulness of the laity, who with enormous difficulty have to source priests hither and thither as though we were seemingly still living in Reformation England or Cromwellian Ireland. Isn’t it high time for the Church to take pastoral responsibility also for these sheep? Do they not deserve a shepherd? a parish? or at least some sense of juridical security? What happens to you when the parish you are harbouring in closes its doors?
Taken together, this is, in my view, a clear instance of exclusion: an injustice which you should bring to the attention of your shepherd, I think. You are fully-fledged members of the baptised Faithful, for heaven’s sake: why are you scurrying about like ecclesiastical scavengers, hoping for a scrap or two to fall from the table for your very existence?
I worry about the situation of traditional Catholics in the Archdiocese. Yes, the archdiocese ‘permits’ a traditional mass here or there — but responsibility for the matter continues to rest upon the initiative and resourcefulness of the laity, who with enormous difficulty have to source priests hither and thither as though we were seemingly still living in Reformation England or Cromwellian Ireland. Isn’t it high time for the Church to take pastoral responsibility also for these sheep? Do they not deserve a shepherd? a parish? or at least some sense of juridical security? What happens to you when the parish you are harbouring in closes its doors?
Taken together, this is, in my view, a clear instance of exclusion: an injustice which you should bring to the attention of your shepherd, I think. You are fully-fledged members of the baptised Faithful, for heaven’s sake: why are you scurrying about like ecclesiastical scavengers, hoping for a scrap or two to fall from the table for your very existence?
For a long time there was a backlash and Catholics felt they needed to be more like the Protestants. You should see some of the churches they built in the suburbs in the 1970s! Square plain buildings with little ecclesiastical decor, plain altars, and hradly any statues. It does not work for me! Mass is much more enjoyable when done in the traditional manner.
Peter Kreeft started his conversion to Catholicism after visiting Saint Patricks in New York.
For a long time there was a backlash and Catholics felt they needed to be more like the Protestants. You should see some of the churches they built in the suburbs in the 1970s! Square plain buildings with little ecclesiastical decor, plain altars, and hradly any statues. It does not work for me! Mass is much more enjoyable when done in the traditional manner.
Peter Kreeft started his conversion to Catholicism after visiting Saint Patricks in New York.
The reason many denominations don't have statues and such is because it is considered idolatry.
The reason many denominations don't have statues and such is because it is considered idolatry.
Although, oddly enough, a lot of those same people will have "Precious Moments" figurines at home, and will support putting up big bronze or marble statues of local heroes in the town square. Apparently, they think that they are bright enough to be able to tell the difference between those things and idols, but Catholics aren't...
Although, oddly enough, a lot of those same people will have "Precious Moments" figurines at home, and will support putting up big bronze or marble statues of local heroes in the town square. Apparently, they think that they are bright enough to be able to tell the difference between those things and idols, but Catholics aren't...
Great post.
But, I think anti-catholics know the difference and they are simply mean spirited. However, I will give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe it is ignorance.
Although, oddly enough, a lot of those same people will have "Precious Moments" figurines at home, and will support putting up big bronze or marble statues of local heroes in the town square. Apparently, they think that they are bright enough to be able to tell the difference between those things and idols, but Catholics aren't...
It's a known fact that no Protestant has ever visited the Lincoln Memorial.
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