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Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament, HOWEVER, he did NOT do away with the moral laws and the consequences of sin.
I suppose some feel that the Old Testament is just old fuddy duddy stuff that we don't have to follow. But reap what you sew is truly true even for now.
Then others want to sin and will find an excuse to do so.
Then others feel that morals are not black and white, and they believe today's liberals and progressives who wish to sin, but its the same old sins we find in Genesis and Leviticus and all thru the Old Testament even.
^This is how the Bumper Sticker Christian thinks.
They believe they can sin 24/7 and just say "Jesus Wept" and everythings' ok. not true
No different than a Parent making sure their child is raised properly before they get out into the world. You break a House Rule and you get punished, simple as that. REAL Parents understand this Law of Nature.
GOD is not mocked.
When you are out in the world, do your parents still punish you for not taking out the garbage? The point is still that parental rules should not be about "Because I'm the Daddy," but about what is good for the child. There is NO good reason for "wrath" that can only enforce "I'm the Daddy."
When you are out in the world, do your parents still punish you for not taking out the garbage? The point is still that parental rules should not be about "Because I'm the Daddy," but about what is good for the child. There is NO good reason for "wrath" that can only enforce "I'm the Daddy."
Which they are not. they are about Truth and Instruction. Same with the Holy Bible.
Which they are not. they are about Truth and Instruction. Same with the Holy Bible.
Truth and Instruction.
Then "wath" is an inappropriate response. Reiterated lessons and demonstration of the value are appropriate. Punishment for the sake of punishment (which it MUST be if no improvement is possible from the lesson) is barbaric, not love.
I'd say that the only reason for "wrath" at the breaking of laws would be that those laws were made for no other purpose than the arbitrary exercise of power. If that's the way your god is you have my condolences.
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No different than a Parent making sure their child is raised properly before they get out into the world. You break a House Rule and you get punished, simple as that. REAL Parents understand this Law of Nature.
GOD is not mocked.
How many parents would eternally punish breaking a House rule????How can that EVER be just or about raising them properly . . . when there is no recourse.
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When you are out in the world, do your parents still punish you for not taking out the garbage? The point is still that parental rules should not be about "Because I'm the Daddy," but about what is good for the child. There is NO good reason for "wrath" that can only enforce "I'm the Daddy."
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Which they are not. they are about Truth and Instruction. Same with the Holy Bible.
Truth and Instruction.
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Then "wath" is an inappropriate response. Reiterated lessons and demonstration of the value are appropriate. Punishment for the sake of punishment (which it MUST be if no improvement is possible from the lesson) is barbaric, not love.
Amen! Well said, nate! The OBEYERS cannot seem to get past the "Because I said so!" mode! They simply refuse to actually contemplate the injustice and absurdity of eternal consequences for a finite life . . . just "because I said so!"
Then "wath" is an inappropriate response. Reiterated lessons and demonstration of the value are appropriate. Punishment for the sake of punishment (which it MUST be if no improvement is possible from the lesson) is barbaric, not love.
When raising a child you have to use repetition so the point soaks in. This is done in all levels of the educational system as well. Repetition creates memory. All punishment is not violent retribution. some punishments are subtle. but still get the message across.
example -
in Christianity, stealing is forgiven through Christ, just try not to steal anymore. this is a subtle approach.
- in Islam, you steal, they chop your hand off literally, THAT'S EXTREME. not neccessary with Christ since he came and did away with all that type of punishment for Sin. Thank GOD! because that is total madness!
* Yeshua did away with the way we manage the Sin, not the Sin itself.
How many parents would eternally punish breaking a House rule????How can that EVER be just or about raising them properly . . . when there is no recourse.
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Amen! Well said, nate! The OBEYERS cannot seem to get past the "Because I said so!" mode! They simply refuse to actually contemplate the injustice and absurdity of eternal consequences for a finite life . . . just "because I said so!"
And the heathens Do as thou wilt as the whole of the Law. totally disreagarding The Most High.
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The Most High has not forgotten the evil that has been levied against him, his son and his people.
A LOT of Christians have this bit of information terribly twisted. The majority of Christians(myself at one point) think that GOD's Laws, Statutes and Commandments are done away with so that all manner of heathenistic activity and sin can be induldged in without consequence. Not even.
No where in the Bible does it promote this notion, not one scripture. As it is written so shall it come to pass. GOD is not mocked. So why on Earth are Christians trying to sidestep his Laws is incredible and it speaks directly to disobedience and the lust for Sin.
This is why it's very important to worship the message and not the messenger. Because the Romans and disobedient Israelites already hated the Messenger and had him tortured and killed.
Deuteronomy 32:35
"Vengence is mine, thus saith the Lord"
God's laws are what is known as natural/spiritual law.
Any punishment received is intrinsic to the breaking of the law itself.
If we break the law of gravity, God doesn't need to send a lightning bolt to strike us down and punish us.
Walking off a cliff to a likely certain death is the just "punishment" of breaking that law.
Likewise if we break spiritual laws. There are intrinsic penalties that will happen if for example we choose to live a hedonistic or sinful/indulgent lifestyle. Again no need for God to send any lightning bolts - we will simply reap what we sow.
This is known as natural law and it is worth studying if you are interested.
This is at direct opposition with man's law where man will arbitrarily imprison someone for victimless crimes.
It comes down to the principles of truth and love. Jesus commanded us to love God and one another - there is a reason for this. When we are operating in love, we fulfill all commands, and there are no negative consequences to reap. To love one another is the fulfillment of the law.
The more we operate in accordance with the principles of truth and love, the better off we are. The more we operate in opposition to truth and love, the more suffering we will cause. This is known as non-love or simply put: sin. In this manner we will reap what we sow, and this is what God's vengeance is: reaping the results of our own actions due to the natural laws of love and truth.
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