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I guarantee you, as magnanimous as your God might be, people would find a way to be divided from you over what you believe about God, because it's not what they believe.
I guarantee you, as magnanimous as your God might be, people would find a way to be divided from you over what you believe about God, because it's not what they believe.
My god wouldn't threaten to damn people for not believing in him. Come on, you know that is a big plus!
My god wouldn't threaten to damn people for not believing in him. Come on, you know that is a big plus!
That's just the type of belief that would get some people all riled up. First they'd tell you you were wrong. Then they'd tell you you were damned. Then they'd tell you you weren't a member of your religion. Which you invented.
Maybe you could give them a hug. "Free hugs and no damnation".
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If there is a god who loves each human individually, s/he is truly horrible. Love could not tolerate preventable suffering.
Suffering is necessary for humans to grow? What about the millions of babies who die without any growth.
Suffering is necessary to grow in Christian faith? What about the billions of non-Christians who suffer and will never have Christian faith to grow in? God would know they're never growing and are destined for hell.
Suffering is necessary for..anything? There will be no suffering in heaven for eternity. How could something be so absolutely vital for 100 years on Earth and unnecessary for eternity?
If there is a god who loves each human individually, s/he is truly horrible. Love could not tolerate preventable suffering.
Suffering is necessary for humans to grow? What about the millions of babies who die without any growth.
Suffering is necessary to grow in Christian faith? What about the billions of non-Christians who suffer and will never have Christian faith to grow in? God would know they're never growing and are destined for hell.
Suffering is necessary for..anything? There will be no suffering in heaven for eternity. How could something be so absolutely vital for 100 years on Earth and unnecessary for eternity?
Nope, don't need or want that kind of love.
Is our suffering preventable by God, short of our ceasing to exist, or is it only preventable by ourselves?
Is suffering necessary for anything, or is it an inevitable byproduct of our conscious awareness, at this stage of our development?
Is our suffering preventable by God, short of our ceasing to exist, or is it only preventable by ourselves?
Is suffering necessary for anything, or is it an inevitable byproduct of our conscious awareness, at this stage of our development?
Just questions I ponder.
Your insights and astuteness continues to bless us all, Pleroo. Since suffering occurs in our consciousness . . . it is there that we should look for God to intervene . . . not in the physical world. We are to overcome and endure this physical world and the Comforter is there to help us do that . . . IF we are receptive.
But neither of you addressed the root issues that I brought up. Why would suffering be necessary on Earth but not in heaven? Why are we to overcome and endure? What happens to all the babies who die without that experience?
Your insights and astuteness continues to bless us all, Pleroo. Since suffering occurs in our consciousness . . . it is there that we should look for God to intervene . . . not in the physical world. We are to overcome and endure this physical world and the Comforter is there to help us do that . . . IF we are receptive.
I agree. Of course, it would be hard to be receptive to a "comforter" who you think may condemn you to be tormented in hell for eternity hell because you don't believe the "right" things and/or do the right things or who hates you when you fail whatever test it is you're supposed to pass. Impossible, really.
Your insights and astuteness continues to bless us all, Pleroo. Since suffering occurs in our consciousness . . . it is there that we should look for God to intervene . . . not in the physical world. We are to overcome and endure this physical world and the Comforter is there to help us do that . . . IF we are receptive.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
I agree. Of course, it would be hard to be receptive to a "comforter" who you think may condemn you to be tormented in hell for eternity hell because you don't believe the "right" things and/or do the right things or who hates you when you fail whatever test it is you're supposed to pass. Impossible, really.
I believe that there are many things that we can develop through suffering like faith, trust, perseverance, patience, empathy, compassion, forgiveness. In heaven we won't need to develop these because God will be all in all, and we will be mature, complete. God bless.
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