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Peacegiver, thanks for your time and effort, but since you can not produce God name, I will take it that you don't keep his commandments. because nothing of God is secret, especially his name. so thanks again, good day.
Nothing is a secret?
"The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophet's."
As the son of man says; "If you continue in my word you are truly my disciple then you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."
"The man who keeps the commandments he has from me is the man who loves me and the man who loves me will be loved by my Father,I too shall love him and reveal myself to him."
"Abide in my love. You will abide in my love if you keep my commandments just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in His love."
"The Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to speak and since I know His commandment is eternal life what I say is spoken just as He instructed me."
He didn't have a "name". per se. His name wasn't Yeshua and it wasn't Hosea or
Joshua. This was the Son of God. Mary knew it, Joseph knew it, and others knew it
before His ministry even began. As in Isaiah and Matthew he was called as in referred
to as Emmanuel (God is with us). Iesous or Joshua (God is Salvation) is another "name",
so are Philo and Eusebius who connect Iesous with "a Savior" - "Soter" aka Theo Soterion, Soteria Kyrion... these were early Greeks who were speaking of why His "name" was
transliterated as Iesous.. none of this matters much to us. Feel free to "call" Him
whatever you wish of these names, if for some reason Jeshua makes you feel closer
to Him, that's fine... but in reality there is only one account of what "they shall call Him"
in the Bible and that is Emmanuel. The most important point, however is to try and
actually imagine what a "name" meant to these people and especially to those who surrounded His early life.. They knew this child was beyond having a "name" like
Simon or Saul, etc. In this respect He did not have a NAME. He was only referred to
as either "God is with us" or "God is salvation".
He was beyond having a name since his Birth.
Jeremiah 23:6
"In days to come I will raise up a righteous shoot to David. As king he will govern and reign wisely. He will do what is right and just in the land. In his day Judah shall be saved, Israel shall dwell in peace and the name they will give him is the Lord our righteousness, "says the Lord.
He didn't have a "name". per se. His name wasn't Yeshua and it wasn't Hosea or
Joshua. This was the Son of God. Mary knew it, Joseph knew it, and others knew it
before His ministry even began. As in Isaiah and Matthew he was called as in referred
to as Emmanuel (God is with us). Iesous or Joshua (God is Salvation) is another "name",
so are Philo and Eusebius who connect Iesous with "a Savior" - "Soter" aka Theo Soterion, Soteria Kyrion... these were early Greeks who were speaking of why His "name" was
transliterated as Iesous.. none of this matters much to us. Feel free to "call" Him
whatever you wish of these names, if for some reason Jeshua makes you feel closer
to Him, that's fine... but in reality there is only one account of what "they shall call Him"
in the Bible and that is Emmanuel. The most important point, however is to try and
actually imagine what a "name" meant to these people and especially to those who surrounded His early life.. They knew this child was beyond having a "name" like
Simon or Saul, etc. In this respect He did not have a NAME. He was only referred to
as either "God is with us" or "God is salvation".
He was beyond having a name since his Birth.
Where was He ever called Emmanuel in the NT?...
Last edited by Richard1965; 08-24-2014 at 09:21 AM..
I now get where the OP is going with his thought process. He is one of a splinter group of Christians that believe the name "Jesus" is a bastardization of the Roman god, Zeus. Problem is the original NT writings were all in GREEK from which our English translations were derived.
Further, a Jewish scholar, David Talshir, Rabbinic Hebrew As Reflected in Personal Names, agrees that Yeshua is more or less the original Hebrew name, but even the pronunciation used by Messianic Christians today is completely improper from how any Hebraic speaker uses it.
Got this from reading another Jewish writer, Avram Yehoshua, who debunks the "authority" of Messianics in their misunderstanding of the name Yeshua.
Last edited by Wardendresden; 08-24-2014 at 01:54 PM..
Reason: corrected name spelling, name of book by Talshir
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