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Old 10-24-2014, 05:23 PM
 
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Then if you believe Jesus is God the son---then please explain how God has a God when there is but 1 God in reality?
The Trinity is hard to understand. It's 3 persons in 1 God. God the Father=God, God the Son=Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit=the Holy Spirit. The bible speaks about all three.

A good way to understand it is to think about yourself. You are one person but you have many roles. You are a person, maybe a wife, a daughter, a sister, maybe a mother, an aunt, a cousin, etc, etc, etc.
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Old 10-24-2014, 05:31 PM
 
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Still, scripture testify to Mary still needing the Saviour and so she was not sinless after all.

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Romans 3:23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Mary knew she was not going to be able to approach God the Father without Christ in her as her Saviour.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mary did not need to be sinless for Christ to be born. For Mary to be sinless for Christ to be born to be true, then her parents would have to be sinless as well and her garndparents and so forth and so on...but scripture testify otherwise that even Mary needed God as her Saviour as well.
No, Mary was born without sin, not like the rest of us. God did this since she was to be the mother of Jesus. Jesus could not be born from a sinful women. That is the reason when the angel appeared to Mary to tell her she was to be the mother of Jesus, he said she was full of grace. The Jewish people understood what, "full of grace" meant. It meant someone was sinless.

We all need a Savior, including Mary, but not because she had sin but because she lived in a sinful world and the world needed a Savior.
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Old 10-24-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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No, Mary was born without sin, not like the rest of us. God did this since she was to be the mother of Jesus. Jesus could not be born from a sinful women. That is the reason when the angel appeared to Mary to tell her she was to be the mother of Jesus, he said she was full of grace. The Jewish people understood what, "full of grace" meant. It meant someone was sinless.

We all need a Savior, including Mary, but not because she had sin but because she lived in a sinful world and the world needed a Savior.
Where does it say Mary was without sin.

Where does it say she had to be?

Seems to be a later fabrication to exalt Mary to the level of the pagan goddesses she would replace.
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Old 10-24-2014, 07:44 PM
 
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Why would that prove she is a Pagan Goddess? Christians were killed by Pagans.

Just think about it. How could Jesus develop within a women who had sin on her soul? How could he develop when Jesus was sinless? He needed a sinless environment. God created Mary to be that for Jesus.
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Old 10-24-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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Why would that prove she is a Pagan Goddess? Christians were killed by Pagans.

Just think about it. How could Jesus develop within a women who had sin on her soul? How could he develop when Jesus was sinless? He needed a sinless environment. God created Mary to be that for Jesus.
I am thinking about it.

First after Acts 2 she is never mentioned again. NEVER. NO praise,exalting, etc is found IN scripture. IN fact we could say she obviously was not perfect/sinless as she stood away from Jesus and agreed with her other children that Jesus was nuts.

The later "Church" incorporated LOTS of pagan things into it. In fact the so-called statue of Peter in Rome is actually a statue of the pagan God Zeus/Jupiter. The just changed the name and now say it is Peter. Bet he is happy about that.

Next, Christians killed Christians so .... Pagan is as pagan does.
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:00 PM
 
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I am thinking about it.

First after Acts 2 she is never mentioned again. NEVER. NO praise,exalting, etc is found IN scripture. IN fact we could say she obviously was not perfect/sinless as she stood away from Jesus and agreed with her other children that Jesus was nuts.

The later "Church" incorporated LOTS of pagan things into it. In fact the so-called statue of Peter in Rome is actually a statue of the pagan God Zeus/Jupiter. The just changed the name and now say it is Peter. Bet he is happy about that.

Next, Christians killed Christians so .... Pagan is as pagan does.
What faith are you? That is pretty far fetches. Mary was at the foot of the cross when Jesus was crucified. She told people to do as He says.

Christians killed Christians? For the first 3 hundred years were running for their lives from being thrown to the lions so how do you figure that? Plus Christians are not Pagans so your last sentence makes no sense.
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:03 PM
 
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The Trinity is hard to understand. It's 3 persons in 1 God. God the Father=God, God the Son=Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit=the Holy Spirit. The bible speaks about all three.

A good way to understand it is to think about yourself. You are one person but you have many roles. You are a person, maybe a wife, a daughter, a sister, maybe a mother, an aunt, a cousin, etc, etc, etc.
Benny Hinn believed, there were nine in a trinity?
Perhaps, he was counting his various relationships?
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:08 PM
 
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Benny Hinn believed, there were nine in a trinity?
Perhaps, he was counting his various relationships?
God could have made it any number He wanted to but only 3 are mentioned in the bible so I think God stopped at 3.
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:42 PM
 
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God could have made it any number He wanted to but only 3 are mentioned in the bible so I think God stopped at 3.
Sumeria, Babylonia, Greece and Egypt, also had a "triad" of gods, or a group of three.
However, the Spirit (breath of life) and body create a "living" soul; not a third entity.


God is Holy.
God is Spirit.

Jesus was a "living" soul.
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:57 PM
 
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The later "Church" incorporated LOTS of pagan things into it.
Religion is a stigma that permeates every aspect of one’s life, somewhat like a room filled with smoke.
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