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Old 09-26-2014, 05:51 AM
 
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Lord Jesus Christ is the author and the finisher of all truth and everything He brought for faith is sound doctrine , so if people are critics of Lord Jesus then they are holder of doctrines of men ...... Like many Christians reject Water baptism , but Jesus said ``do this for your righteousness ``..So who do you believe the author and finisher of the faith or the people who reject what the Messiah said , as Jesus Son of God will Judge all in the judgment seat after people pass on
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Really? What exactly did Jesus write and when was it written?

Don't you think that non-Christians who believe in other religions' Holy Books also believe that they are sound doctrine? Are they right?
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Old 09-26-2014, 11:33 AM
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But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine. Older men are to be sober-minded, dignified, self-controlled, sound in faith, in love, and in steadfastness. Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled. (Titus 2:1-15)

A perfect example of a fundamentalist biblical literalist's response.
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Old 09-26-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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A perfect example of a fundamentalist biblical literalist's response.
Whoa. Sheena. You might want to dial back the "having an opinion and speaking out" a few notches. Didn't you read the instructions in post #18?


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Old 09-26-2014, 01:14 PM
 
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A perfect example of a fundamentalist biblical literalist's response.
I find it amazing that we live in an age where the Word of God is considered the wrong thing to base our actions and beliefs on... Truly amazing. If there was anything that we could truly hold onto as truth, you would think God's Word would be the gold standard. Apparently not.
He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. ... teach what accords with sound doctrine. (Titus 1:9 ; 2:1)
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Old 09-26-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: NC
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What are you praying for exactly?
As I shared, "Praying for understanding and trust in God for understanding."

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Do you already place your trust in the Bible? If so, then why should you expect
God to desire that kind of devotion to a book written by men?
My trust is in God who gave His words to those who wrote the scriptures.


God bless.
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Old 09-27-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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Yes. And of course that is a very subjective attitude. One cannot be subjective about the Bible if he is to understand it. Rightly dividing the Scriptures demands objectivity.

Some people claim that the Bible must be rightly divided by using agape love as a filter, which is nonsense. It's just an excuse to dismiss the things they don't like. For example, some claim that since it's not loving, God couldn't possibly command Israel to kill men, women, and children in the Old Testament. Or that since God is love He couldn't possibly sentence to eternal torment those who refuse His plan of salvation. They have no concept of what God's righteousness requires.

To rightly divide the word of truth requires for one thing an understanding that not everything in the Bible is addressed to all people. One must understand that God's plan is dispensational. God's program for Israel is different than His program for the Church. Certain passages concern Israel while others concern the Church while yet others concern the still future Messianic kingdom. One must know to whom a passage refers.

With an understanding of dispensations one realizes that Paul does not contradict Jesus as some people mistakenly claim.

Another example is the issue of salvation. Is a particular passage talking about eternal salvation from the penalty of sin, or is it talking about temporal salvation from the power of sin in the life of the spiritually growing believer. Many people automatically assume eternal salvation is in view when they see the word salvation. But it's not.

The subject of justification is another example. To rightly divide the Scriptures it must be understood that James is not talking about justification in the same sense that Paul is.

One must understand that since His incarnation Jesus is both God and man. Otherwise one will read a passage where Jesus calls the Father God and come to the conclusion that Jesus can't be God since He calls the Father God.

There are so many areas in which one can get off track and get into false beliefs which are contrary to what the Bible actually teaches.

But there are people who will simply reject anything the Bible says which doesn't fit their presuppositions and preferred beliefs and yet claim that they are rightly dividing the Scriptures. They are only deceiving themselves.
Man you said a lot of things so tell that I wish that I could give you a million reps. Thanks for allowing the Holy Spirit to help you understand the Word, and to have the insight to understand the Word the way God intended all of us to understand it. I hope to get there like you.
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Old 09-28-2014, 09:43 AM
 
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Brothers and Sisters. God's hand is against the ministry of fear. Hell, eternal punishment, and 'apologizing for them, whilst saying they are going to happen', rather than testing the spirits, is being under and ministering out of a spirit of fear, irrespective of whether other aspects of ones ministry are blessed. There's a totality and increase of blessing and glory for the called out ones that is yet to come - apokatastasis, the restoration of all things. When Gods Judgements are in the Earth, men will learn righteousness, both past, present and future.

The Judgment
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Old 09-28-2014, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I think that He looks upon our hearts.
I believe, you are correct in this assessment.
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Old 09-29-2014, 12:29 AM
 
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Really? What exactly did Jesus write and when was it written?

Don't you think that non-Christians who believe in other religions' Holy Books also believe that they are sound doctrine? Are they right?
Jesus wrote 7 letters to 7 Churches!

The entire bible from Genesis to Revelation is God's Word (John 1:1)

When you personally write someone a letter - How do you sign it ?? Do you use Bic or Papermate ??

Of course not you insert YOUR NAME even though you did not write it - The Pen did!!

Let me see you write one seven word sentence and include more than 30 instances of 7 and have everything in that verse = exact multiples of Seven.

If the skilled mathematicians @ Harvard University couldn't duplicate that even using powerful computers - That just proves to me God wrote that.

The very first verse in the bible is riddled with 7's -

The very last verse in the bible is Revelation 22:21 ( #'s = 7)

Do you think it is a coincidence that Revelation 13 verse 18 (6+6+6) = Six Hundred Three Score & 6 ??

For anyone to claim that men wrote the bible proves one thing. You haven't taken the time to even read it (properly).

EPIC FAIL !!
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:36 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Man you said a lot of things so tell that I wish that I could give you a million reps. Thanks for allowing the Holy Spirit to help you understand the Word, and to have the insight to understand the Word the way God intended all of us to understand it. I hope to get there like you.
Thanks for the kind words Antredd.

Another factor involved in rightly dividing the word of truth is in understanding when the Bible is speaking literally and when it is using allegory. It is important not to allegorize what is to be understood literally.

The golden rule of interpretation is stated as follows.
''When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word, at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.''
Biblical Research Studies Group-The Golden Rule of Interpretation
Sadly, wholesale allegorization of the Bible, as many are prone to do, results in all kinds of false beliefs such as for example the denial of the literal return of Jesus to establish a literal Millennial kingdom on the earth and instead believing that the Millennium allegorically refers to our present age.
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