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Old 09-30-2014, 10:04 AM
 
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That's a lousy definition to start with.
Sooo, why don't you tell us why you think it's a lousy definition?
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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A believer can rightly divide the word of God and realize that eternal hell or the Trinity , for example, is not found in the scriptures. It is easy to assume that people are not rightly dividing the scriptures because what they have found in their own study and prayer does not agree with what someone else may have found. Prayer for understanding and trust in God for understanding as we study the scriptures is necessary. God bless.
Do you mean that literally or do you mean that it's never even suggested?
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:52 AM
 
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Agreed, Pleroo. Sound doctrine is that which is compatible and consistent with the unambiguous example and revelation by Christ of God's True Nature as agape love. How could anything that is inconsistent with the nature of God revealed and demonstrated by Christ ever be sound doctrine for any Christian???
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Sooo, why don't you tell us why you think it's a lousy definition?
I DID for her. It relies on what is Biblical NOT what is Christian! It replaces Christ with the Bible as the authority. This is mainly done by those who do NOT believe Christ abides with us as the LIVING Word of God. They reject the New Covenant and rely on the Old "written in ink" and stone. Those who believe Christ . . . believe He abides with us believe the Father sent the Comforter (Holy Spirit) in Christ's name to guide us to what God has "written in our hearts."
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Old 09-30-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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I DID for her. It relies on what is Biblical NOT what is Christian! It replaces Christ with the Bible as the authority. This is mainly done by those who do NOT believe Christ abides with us as the LIVING Word of God. They reject the New Covenant and rely on the Old "written in ink" and stone. Those who believe Christ . . . believe He abides with us believe the Father sent the Comforter (Holy Spirit) in Christ's name to guide us to what God has "written in our hearts."

. In it's essence, I agree with this.

Not to mention that hanging hopes for unity on "rightly-dividing" the bible, when people aren't unified on how that is to be accomplished, is a lesson in futility.
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Old 09-30-2014, 12:22 PM
 
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I DID for her. It relies on what is Biblical NOT what is Christian! It replaces Christ with the Bible as the authority. This is mainly done by those who do NOT believe Christ abides with us as the LIVING Word of God. They reject the New Covenant and rely on the Old "written in ink" and stone. Those who believe Christ . . . believe He abides with us believe the Father sent the Comforter (Holy Spirit) in Christ's name to guide us to what God has "written in our hearts."
Are you saying that the Bible and Christ are mutually exclusive? Are you saying one cannot be a Christian and be a believer in the word of God?

Why can't the Bible be an instrument as opposed to something that you consider to be a completely separate entity?
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Old 09-30-2014, 12:26 PM
 
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. In it's essence, I agree with this.

Not to mention that hanging hopes for unity on "rightly-dividing" the bible, when people aren't unified on how that is to be accomplished, is a lesson in futility.
But people are unified, you are just assuming just because there is dissension that it's amongst Christians. There are people who label themselves as Christians but they do not accept the full teachings of Christ. That is, according to Jesus, the key to accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
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Old 09-30-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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Are you saying that the Bible and Christ are mutually exclusive? Are you saying one cannot be a Christian and be a believer in the word of God?

Why can't the Bible be an instrument as opposed to something that you consider to be a completely separate entity?
NO, no one is saying that they are mutually exclusive, but that the Bible does not always express the Spirit that Jesus revealed, and that when there IS a conflict, it is the Spirit that we should look to, not the paper and ink. The Bible IS an excellent tool or instrument for the Sprit as long as it is not used in an attempt to RULE the Spirit, most often by claiming that the purpose of the Spirit is to give explanation for the meaning of the Bible that was supposedly inspired BY that Spirit.
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Old 09-30-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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NO, no one is saying that they are mutually exclusive, but that the Bible does not always express the Spirit that Jesus revealed, and that when there IS a conflict, it is the Spirit that we should look to, not the paper and ink. The Bible IS an excellent tool or instrument for the Sprit as long as it is not used in an attempt to RULE the Spirit, most often by claiming that the purpose of the Spirit is to give explanation for the meaning of the Bible that was supposedly inspired BY that Spirit.
How do you know that to be true?
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Old 09-30-2014, 06:06 PM
 
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What Is Christian Universalism?



Sorry a long day at work!


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HI, Interesting site. However it is a bit circular as it quotes those who teach it. How about quotes from 1st or early 2nd century believers that are clear and explicit?

Mind you we agree on a lot of things and I have no complaints if all are a saved. But i do not see that teaching in Scripture.
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:37 PM
 
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Hi expatCA, here are a couple of good resources that trace the history of the belief in the restoration of all to God through Jesus

Universalism, the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During its First Five Hundred Years

The Early Christian View of the Savior

God bless.
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