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Hi, all who are followers of the Father and Jesus do not have to believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are the same. This is only an opinion if someone maintains this. Only God knows who His true followers are. God bless.
Hi, all who are followers of the Father and Jesus do not have to believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are the same. This is only an opinion if someone maintains this. Only God knows who His true followers are. God bless.
Hi Sha,
the topic is not about opinions, but proof. and there is no proof of any trinity, not according to the bible
Hi 101c, it is about opinions when someone suggests that someone is not a true follower of God because they do not believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are the same. or that Jesus is the Father.
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all the true followers of the Spirit knew, and understood this.
but as the bible states, NOT ALL MEN HAVE THIS KNOWLEDGE.
I don't believe in the Trinity, but it is not my job to suggest that those who do believe in the Trinity are not true followers of God Only God knows who His true followers are. God bless.
Hi 101c, it is about opinions when someone suggests that someone is not a true follower of God because they do not believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are the same. or that Jesus is the Father.
I don't believe in the Trinity. God bless.
Good, but what I was saying is if one have an opinion, the topic say prove it, I hope by scripture, that's all.
because all of the trinity scriptures that was used to support it is eliminated. so the question now is the JESUS question.
But do you not see a problem in saying that "only true followers of the Spirit knew and understood this?" if you believe that the Father, Jesus, and Spirit are the same. We cannot place ourselves as judges in this regard. Just like those who believe in the Trinity should not judge others who do not believe in the Trinity, like this. And neither should I.
But do you not see a problem in saying that "only true followers of the Spirit knew and understood this?" if you believe that the Father, Jesus, and Spirit are the same. We cannot place ourselves as judges in this regard. Just like those who believe in the Trinity should not judge others who do not believe in the Trinity, like this. And neither should I.
Mormons say that Jesus Christ is the "literal" son of God like in this interview.
Yes, Mary is the literal mother of Jesus Christ. God is the literal Father of Jesus Christ. If Jesus Christ is the "Only Begotten Son of God," then God is His literal Father -- whether you choose to believe it or not. The fact that we also believe Mary to have been a virgin following both before and after her Son was conceived ought to alleviate any further fantasies about His conception you may be entertaining.
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It's strange that it's so hard trying to get a clear explanation of what that exactly means from official sources.
It's not hard at all. I can stick 100% to official sources and provide a clear explanation of what we believe. If you don't get it, that's nobody's fault but your own.
Good grief. You won't trust official LDS sources for accurate information, but you'll trust CARM. President Hinckley was not saying that Mormons believe in a Jesus who is different from the Jesus spoken of in the Bible, but that they believe in a Jesus who is different from the Jesus spoken of in the man-made creeds. And this thread has pretty much proven that the Jesus of the Bible is different from the Jesus of Christianity's creeds.
If that's accurate, then the "Jesus" of Mormonism can hardly be called an eternal, supreme creator God as we usually conceive of it.
You mean as you conceive of it. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ, acting, from the very start, under the direction of His Father, was the Creator of our universe. For those who may actually be interested in "the facts," McConkie was an LDS leader (never President of the Church, however) who wrote a book which he called, "Mormon Doctrine." Even according to the Almighty Wiki, "Church leaders were surprised by its publication (since he had not asked permission and was not asked to develop such a work) and responded that while they applauded the attempt of the book to fill a need, it used a harsh tone. [Said to be] "full of errors and misstatements... it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation."
I don't believe in the Trinity, but it is not my job to suggest that those who do believe in the Trinity are not true followers of God Only God knows who His true followers are. God bless.
God is a Spirit, meaning that God is the Holy Spirit. it is the Holy Spirit that is the LITERAL FATHER of that flesh that was conceive in her (Mary's) womb, supportive scripture, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost”. so if one want to go literal, by definition, the Holy Spirit is the actual Father, according to scripture. well that just shot down any trinity.
John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit”. and God is SPIRIT, (see John 4:24).
A corporeal person does not fulfill the classical concept of deity as a transcendental, infinitely powerful, supreme being.
And that is a philosophical conceptual construct that did not exist until centuries after the composition of the biblical texts.
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That is not to say that other people don't have different conceptions of deity, like we see above, but the context here and common parlance would infer we are talking about the standard or classical conception of deity.
I would suggest that challenging that standard conception is perfectly valid.
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This is only an opinion if someone maintains this. Only God knows who His true followers are. God bless.
President Hinckley was not saying that Mormons believe in a Jesus who is different from the Jesus spoken of in the Bible, but that they believe in a Jesus who is different from the Jesus spoken of in the man-made creeds. And this thread has pretty much proven that the Jesus of the Bible is different from the Jesus of Christianity's creeds.