Can the Formal Doctrine of the Trinity Be Proven By the Bible? (lordship, Holy Ghost)
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Please see what I shared, in post 266, 101c. Also the apostle Paul refers to God our Father. In Romans 11:36, Paul says "from Him and through Him and to Him are all things." This tells me that all things are from the Father. He is the source of all things and all things come from Him, even Jesus and His Holy Spirit. God bless.
you're dismiss. the root of G3444 μορφή morphe, is G3313 μέρος meros (mer'-os) n.
1. a division or share. there is the diversity, the "SHARE" of God, that became flesh.
and as for calling someone kid, you need to grow up first, (smile).
so, since you're ignorant in mind and spirit, good day to you.
now Sha, do you understand now?.
Can you give us something substantial to verify your assertion? Strong's gives an assertion without either citation or believability in proximity of the word form or the normal linguistic changes. According to Arndt and Gingrich (yes, I have the old edition) morphe had been the form and meaning of the word at least since Homer, so you need a little more authority behind your assertion.
Please see what I shared, in post 266, 101c. Also the apostle Paul refers to God our Father. In Romans 11:36, Paul says "from Him, and through Him and to Him are all things." This tells me that all things are from the Father. He is the source of all things and all things come from Him, even His Holy Spirit. God bless.
Sha, "Father" is a title. lets see what the apostle said to show what he understands as who is the Father, listen,
Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things”. ok God is the saviour, the one whom you calls Father?, now a couple verses down, verse 13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”. Jesus Christ is savior.
from these two verse alone, who is Saviour?.
answer, Jesus the Christ, God Almighty. for as I been saying, Jesus the Christ is God diversified in flesh.
Listen closely, Father= Spirit, the Holy Spirit without flesh
Son =the Same Spirit, only diversified in Flesh.
Title Father is Spirit not in Flesh, or without flesh
Title son is spirit in flesh, or with flesh
clear now.
so when Paul say the father, he is saying, or identifying the Spirit without flesh, that's all.
so when the kingdom is delivered up. the mediator is no longer is needed. now that which is in flesh is "assimilated", in Spirit with the Spiritual body, hence the subjection, "WITHIN".
A Greek military term meaning "to arrange [troop divisions] in amilitary fashion under the command of a leader". In non-military use,it was "a voluntary attitude of giving in, cooperating, assuming responsibility, and carrying a burden.
As I already shared, 101c, the Father is the ultimate Savior and He saves us through Jesus Christ, who represents Him and who acts on His behalf. Paul says nothing about referring to God's Holy Spirit as the Father.
He says nothing about Jesus being God diversified in flesh.
1 Cor. 8
5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father,from whom are all things and we exist for Him; andone Lord, Jesus Christ, by/through whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
Romans 1 "We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you." (vs. 3)
John 17
These things spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to the heaven, and said -- `Father, the hour hath come, glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee,
2 according as Thou didst give to him authority over all flesh, that -- all that Thou hast given to him -- he may give to them life age-during;
and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send -- Jesus Christ. (Young's Literal)
The relationship is between the Son and the Father. So this tells me that these are more than just titles.
God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 10-26-2014 at 07:59 PM..
Can you give us something substantial to verify your assertion? Strong's gives an assertion without either citation or believability in proximity of the word form or the normal linguistic changes. According to Arndt and Gingrich (yes, I have the old edition) morphe had been the form and meaning of the word at least since Homer, so you need a little more authority behind your assertion.
Yes the Greek word G243 allos. look it up and it's meaning. it will give you the definition as to the lord Jesus diversity, A NUMERICIAL DIFFERENCE, with the SAME NATURE, or sort of God.
you're dismiss. the root of G3444 μορφή morphe, is G3313 μέρος meros (mer'-os) n.
It absolutely is not. The guess in Strong's that it comes from this root was abandoned years and years ago. This is one of the reasons Strong's is a useless lexicon.
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Originally Posted by 101c
1. a division or share. there is the diversity, the "SHARE" of God, that became flesh.
and as for calling someone kid, you need to grow up first, (smile).
so, since you're ignorant in mind and spirit, good day to you.
now Sha, do you understand now?.
This is why you need to update your literature. You're using books written almost 200 years ago, and the scholarship and its methodologies are way outdated.
Can you give us something substantial to verify your assertion? Strong's gives an assertion without either citation or believability in proximity of the word form or the normal linguistic changes. According to Arndt and Gingrich (yes, I have the old edition) morphe had been the form and meaning of the word at least since Homer, so you need a little more authority behind your assertion.
He has no other authority but Strong's which just says that it "perhaps" comes from that other root. Strong's and BDB were etymologically over zealous, though, and many of their cognates and connections have been shown to be false. 101c is just groping for a case to make, and he's willing to assert anything as fact that seems to support his case, whether or not it has any basis or support. He doesn't know any better.
Vine Give a good definition where one can understand it. G243, Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" G2087, heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort”. it can be found here at the blue letter bible Greek Lexicon :: G243 (KJV)
yes, sha, me too, good day to all.
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