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Old 09-30-2014, 05:47 AM
 
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I wonder if the original writers of the Bible had any idea that their miraculous/supernatural stories would eventually be read as literal history.

I have personally written little stories and fables myself. I was using symbolism to communicate things more powerfully than I could have done by saying it plainly. I'm not saying that what I did was good or special. Or even effective. But that may have been what the writers of Bible stories were doing. There is SO much symbolism with the numbers, the events, etc. I don't see how they could have been anything but fables.

The "prophecies" were written shortly after the events, also in a way to say that God had warned them by general revelation about the consequences of their actions. The idea of a "Daniel" type prophet hearing the warnings was symbolic as well.

What do you think?
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Old 09-30-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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I wonder if the original writers of the Bible had any idea that their miraculous/supernatural stories would eventually be read as literal history.

I have personally written little stories and fables myself. I was using symbolism to communicate things more powerfully than I could have done by saying it plainly. I'm not saying that what I did was good or special. Or even effective. But that may have been what the writers of Bible stories were doing. There is SO much symbolism with the numbers, the events, etc. I don't see how they could have been anything but fables.

The "prophecies" were written shortly after the events, also in a way to say that God had warned them by general revelation about the consequences of their actions. The idea of a "Daniel" type prophet hearing the warnings was symbolic as well.

What do you think?
Daniel 9:25 speaks of the issuing of a decree to rebuild Jerusalem. This decree was issued by Artaxerxes Longimanus (Nehemiah 2:1-8) in 444 B.C. The issuing of the decree began the period of the 70 'sevens' - a 490 year period divided into three segments. 1.) 7 'sevens' (49 years); 2.) 62 'sevens' (434 years); and 3.) 1 'seven' (7 years). The second segment began after the first segment.

Daniel 9:26 then states that after the sixty-two weeks (the second segment) the Messiah will be cut off. Historically this happened in A.D. 33 when Jesus was crucified. BUT lets concentrate on the part of the prophecy dealing with the destruction of the city and the sanctuary.
Daniel 9:26 ...and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:26 prophesied the destruction of the city (Jerusalem), and the sanctuary (the temple) after the completion of the sixty-two weeks. Both the cutting off of the Messiah and the destruction of Jerusalem occurred after the completion of the sixty-two weeks (of years). Jesus was crucified in A.D. 33, and historically the destruction of the temple and the city occurred in A.D. 70 by Titus. History is explicate that Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed in A.D. 70. It cannot be denied.

Since you claim that ''prophecies'' were written after the fact are you then claiming that Daniel 9:26 which prophesied the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem was not written until after A.D. 70?
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Old 09-30-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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Daniel 9:25 speaks of the issuing of a decree to rebuild Jerusalem. This decree was issued by Artaxerxes Longimanus (Nehemiah 2:1-8) in 444 B.C. The issuing of the decree began the period of the 70 'sevens' - a 490 year period divided into three segments. 1.) 7 'sevens' (49 years); 2.) 62 'sevens' (434 years); and 3.) 1 'seven' (7 years). The second segment began after the first segment.

Daniel 9:26 then states that after the sixty-two weeks (the second segment) the Messiah will be cut off. Historically this happened in A.D. 33 when Jesus was crucified. BUT lets concentrate on the part of the prophecy dealing with the destruction of the city and the sanctuary.
Daniel 9:26 ...and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:26 prophesied the destruction of the city (Jerusalem), and the sanctuary (the temple) after the completion of the sixty-two weeks. Both the cutting off of the Messiah and the destruction of Jerusalem occurred after the completion of the sixty-two weeks (of years). Jesus was crucified in A.D. 33, and historically the destruction of the temple and the city occurred in A.D. 70 by Titus. History is explicate that Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed in A.D. 70. It cannot be denied.

Since you claim that ''prophecies'' were written after the fact are you then claiming that Daniel 9:26 which prophesied the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem was not written until after A.D. 70?
I meant 'explicit'. Not 'explicate.'
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Old 09-30-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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When your parents tell you something to do... Do you ask what do you mean. Or do you say or think, Well they said this but I think they mean something different.

In other words you are just looking for an excuse to deny what God says as being the truth.

God is the Author of the Bible He used men to write HIS MESSAGE.

When you write a letter to a friend, why do you sign your name to it when in fact - The "pen" did the writing!

God says what He means and means what He says. This book was written for 'CHILDREN'!

They have no problem understanding the Salvation message. But the so called adults have to question every simple statement to try and find some other meaning.
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Old 09-30-2014, 04:08 PM
 
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Psalm 119: 130

The entrance of thy words gives light; It gives understanding unto the "simple" !

King David Loved God's Word so much.

He wrote many psalms. Psalm 23 was written (when David was hiding in a cave from Absolam, His favorite son who had 50,000 men searching for David to KILL HIM - Yet David displays the utmost in confidence in God's Word (only).

In Psalm 119 David writes 176 verses of His Love for God's Word.

The Point I am trying to make is that King David treasured God's word SO MUCH.

Yet he only had.. .. 5 books!!!

We have 61 more and all I see on this forum are people that insist God's Word must be questioned for accuracy.

In other words - YOU HAVE NO FAITH IN GOD or HIS Holy Word(s).

When persecution comes... .. . what are you ever going to trust in ???
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Old 09-30-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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Doubting the truth miracles of God through Jesus is a road to lack as it is totally faithless in every way ......
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Old 09-30-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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Have you ever noticed? The One weapon Jesus used in every single instance?

He only used The written Word !!
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Old 09-30-2014, 04:55 PM
 
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yes, Ozzy. first century people were very serious.
hope this helps.
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Old 09-30-2014, 04:56 PM
 
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I wonder if the original writers of the Bible had any idea that their miraculous/supernatural stories would eventually be read as literal history.

I have personally written little stories and fables myself. I was using symbolism to communicate things more powerfully than I could have done by saying it plainly. I'm not saying that what I did was good or special. Or even effective. But that may have been what the writers of Bible stories were doing. There is SO much symbolism with the numbers, the events, etc. I don't see how they could have been anything but fables.

The "prophecies" were written shortly after the events, also in a way to say that God had warned them by general revelation about the consequences of their actions. The idea of a "Daniel" type prophet hearing the warnings was symbolic as well.

What do you think?

Why do you think God is some type of shuck & Jive snake oil salesman who is a CON ARTIST ??

Well your handle is extremely revealing; you have more faith in Ozzy than you have "faith" in God.

Ozzy will NOT RULE!!

JESUS Christ will RULE ON EARTH IN JERUSALEM FROM THE THRONE OF DAVID.

Just as it is written.!!

I have just one question for you.... what grade are you in??

I sincerely doubt you will be honest with an answer!
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Old 09-30-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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yes, Ozzy. first century people were very serious.
hope this helps.
Many of the first century followers were uneducated and had never seen Jesus in person. They were superstitious and probably would have believed anything that sounded good. It was a turbulent time there in the first century. How many of the poor and outcast people could even read?
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