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No attacking or being disrespectful towards someone's Christian beliefs here.
I suggest you start start with your fellow Christians who are gay and lesbian. At least two have been on this thread. Then respect your fellow Christians who support their gay family members. Then respect those of us who are Christian and fully support the LGBT community. Why? Because WE are Christians and our faith tells us to treat ALL people with dignity and respect and love. My Christian beliefs tell me they are children of God, made by God, loved by God, fine just they way they are and they don't need to change OR go back into the closet because one group of people (on this thread the Christian fundamentalists) has decided they should.
Thanks.
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In reality, all the posts that carry such sentiments
... I don't believe in God.
... Homosexuality is OK.
has been judged by God and stated as being idolatry
Colossians 3:5
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature:
sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
I fail to see how two consulting adults loving one another could be deemed as idolatry. All of the things you are stating would apply to straight people as well.
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That would make sense if this the little arrow > doesn't point to > Christianity where that so called "a book that doesn't carry any weight" does in fact hold itself to being the absolute and sole source of the truth.
But your sentiments do in fact show why many Christians that used to frequent this forum do not bother posting here anymore.
And that little book contents are interpreted in how many different ways? If it was so clear cut, and so inerrant, you would not have all those different groups calling themselves christians arguing not only what is meant by it, but even how many books should be included.
Did you read why I started this thread? Have I judged anyone? I have said the behavior is not normal.
By claiming the behavior is not normal, you are judging gays. The fact that you are heterosexual doesn't mean being gay is abnormal. All it means is that gay behavior isn't normal for YOU and other heterosexual people. For gay people, it is normal to be homosexual.
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The behavior is not according to God's design.
Ah, back to the God thing again. I challenge you to prove to me that your God is the correct one, the one we should follow. I'm not bashing religion, not at all. Everyone has the right to believe in whichever God or Gods they choose. If religion gives them strength in their life, great. But how do you know for a fact that the Christian God is the "right" one? What if Buddhism is correct? Or Hinduism? My father is Hindu. My mother was Christian. They are both very tolerant of homosexuality. They both believe that their gods love everyone, no matter who they love in their lives.
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It's a health risk - 20 years less of a lifespan for homosexuals.
Where did you get that reduced lifespan idea from? I'm not believing that for a second.
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I have said unbelievers are not expected to follow God's Word on this.
You mean a bunch of men's ideas on what the Christian God thought, right?
I suggest you start start with your fellow Christians who are gay and lesbian. At least two have been on this thread. Then respect your fellow Christians who support their gay family members. Then respect those of us who are Christian and fully support the LGBT community. Why? Because WE are Christians and our faith tells us to treat ALL people with dignity and respect and love. My Christian beliefs tell me they are children of God, made by God, loved by God, fine just they way they are and they don't need to change OR go back into the closet because one group of people (on this thread the Christian fundamentalists) has decided they should.
Thanks.
So showing respect means I am suppose to deny my beliefs and accept homosexuality as something natural and normal? If we are talking about real life, I do respect and treat gay people like I would anyone else, as friends and neighbors. Just look at my recent posting history, and you'll see where I offered some advice to a gay person on how they could find some gay friendly groups or churches in the area.
But coming on here and saying that I'm a fundie who believes in an outdated book of lies and myths and worship an immoral God is disrespectful and offensive.
But coming on here and saying that I'm a fundie who believes in an outdated book of lies and myths and worship an immoral God is disrespectful and offensive.
I've never done that. If someone else has, take it up with them. I have.
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So showing respect means I am suppose to deny my beliefs and accept homosexuality as something natural and normal? If we are talking about real life, I do respect and treat gay people like I would anyone else, as friends and neighbors. Just look at my recent posting history, and you'll see where I offered some advice to a gay person on how they could find some gay friendly groups or churches in the area.
But coming on here and saying that I'm a fundie who believes in an outdated book of lies and myths and worship an immoral God is disrespectful and offensive.
No, showing respect is keeping your religion out of legislation. As long as you aren't pushing (legally or otherwise) your beliefs on others then you're free to believe whatever you want provided it doesn't intervene with other people's rights.
No, showing respect is keeping your religion out of legislation. As long as you aren't pushing (legally or otherwise) your beliefs on others then you're free to believe whatever you want provided it doesn't intervene with other people's rights.
But it's ok to push your belief on me? Legalization of gay marriage is certainly pushing a belief. It is forcing all members of society to accept the union as equally natural and normal as traditional marriage. Your side acts like it's the religious people that want to take over and change the laws. But the reality is that it is the homosexual community that wants to change the already existing laws and traditional societal beliefs.
I fail to see how two consulting adults loving one another could be deemed as idolatry. All of the things you are stating would apply to straight people as well.
You may fail to see because idolatry has to do with who sets the rules is God .... claiming exception to God's rules declares that such a person is making themself god of themself, which then is idolatry by worshiping ones self interests over God's standards.
The created rules by God are:
God created the female as the "helper suitable" to male Genesis 2:18.
God declared that everything as created was more than ok ... it was "very good" Genesis 1:31
God commanded people not to engage in homosexual behavior Leviticus 18:22
God commanded that those who do, he judges it as detestable Leviticus 18:22
But it's ok to push your belief on me? Legalization of gay marriage is certainly pushing a belief. It is forcing all members of society to accept the union as equally natural and normal as traditional marriage. Your side acts like it's the religious people that want to take over and change the laws. But the reality is that it is the homosexual community that wants to change the already existing laws and traditional societal beliefs.
Nothing is being forced on you at all. Marriage is a legally binding contract, it is a right of the people. Your religion has no right to control or legislate said contracts.
You don't want to marry a gay couple in church? Fine whatever! You have fun with that!
Thing is is that marriage is a LEGAL recognition of two people and NOT a religious one.
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