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I agree with your posts in this thread, pcamps. I have long thought that satan/the adversary in the book of Job was symbolic of Job himself. And representative of what I believe is a misconception many people had (and still have): that God intervenes in our physical world.
Pleroo, that does not make sense that Satan is Job himself. Do you really think Job would purposely bring all that evil on himself and then wonder why it all came upon him?
Pleroo, that does not make sense that Satan is Job himself. Do you really think Job would purposely bring all that evil on himself and then wonder why it all came upon him?
Sometimes I really wonder about how people think.
backatcha.
No, I don't think Job would purposely bring evil on himself. I believe the point in Job is that our perception of God, when it is fear based -- if we are fearful that God will punish us for any misstep -- can subconsciously bring evil (calamity) on us.
No, I don't think Job would purposely bring evil on himself. I believe the point in Job is that our perception of God, when it is fear based -- if we are fearful that God will punish us for any misstep -- can subconsciously bring evil on us.
That is not what the book of Job is about or says concerning the evil that came on Job. So why even say it? I can say the book is all about purple submarines contacting alien life in another galaxy but is that what the book actually says?
That is not what the book of Job is about or says concerning the evil that came on Job. So why even say it? I can say the book is all about purple submarines contacting alien life in another galaxy but is that what the book actually says?
I say it for the same reason I assume you say the things you do. I think it's true.
I know, Satan is cleaver and tricky; and God had to prove a point.
Send in the thieves, tornado's, and take the lives of his children ...
... but, you cannot take his life? Talk about false conceptions!
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Jerwade, I don't see what you are getting at. Could you elaborate?
Calamity happens from time to time, which can be extremely adverse.
Would it not be: How we respond that matters?
"When life deals you lemons, make lemonade."
In other words, there is no reason to play the blame-game.
Job 42:8-11 Now take for yourselves seven bullocks and seven rams. Go to my servant Job, and offer up an ascent offering
on behalf of yourselves. And Job, my servant, he shall pray for you. For then I shall lift up his face by not inflicting on you
any disgrace. For you did not speak concerning Me what is rightly so as My servant Job has done. (9) So they went,
Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite, and they did just as Yahweh had spoken to them.
And Yahweh lifted up Job's face. (10) Then Yahweh Himself turned back the captivity of Job when he prayed on behalf of
his associates. And Yahweh added to all that Job had by a double portion. (11) All his brothers and all his sisters came
to him and all his acquaintances from before, and they ate bread with him in his house. Then they condoled with him and
comforted him over all the evil that Yahweh had brought upon him. Each of them gave to him one kesitah, and each,
one pendant of gold.
Job said God gives and God takes away. That is the right thing to say. If anyone says otherwise then they align themselves with Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar.
Why do some of you have such a low view of God? How could God who is infinite goodness be remotely related to the murder of children? DO you realize that the primitive barbaric men from that era humanize God?
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But the book of Job does not paint God in a bad way, so why do you try to as if the sole thing to take away from the writing is that "God is a killer of children." Really?
The story paints God as a frivolous God who simply makes a Bet with Satan as though is Satan was someone that important. And, yes in this story God comes out as a killer of children. But, you somehow rationalize this murders.
Job 42:8-11 Now take for yourselves seven bullocks and seven rams. Go to my servant Job, and offer up an ascent offering
on behalf of yourselves. And Job, my servant, he shall pray for you. For then I shall lift up his face by not inflicting on you
any disgrace. For you did not speak concerning Me what is rightly so as My servant Job has done. (9) So they went,
Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite, and they did just as Yahweh had spoken to them.
And Yahweh lifted up Job's face. (10) Then Yahweh Himself turned back the captivity of Job when he prayed on behalf of
his associates. And Yahweh added to all that Job had by a double portion. (11) All his brothers and all his sisters came
to him and all his acquaintances from before, and they ate bread with him in his house. Then they condoled with him and
comforted him over all the evil that Yahweh had brought upon him. Each of them gave to him one kesitah, and each,
one pendant of gold.
Job said God gives and God takes away. That is the right thing to say. If anyone says otherwise then they align themselves with Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar.
You might as well posted "if you do not believe what i do you are believing wrong" . Could you at least have a go at explaining what it possibly could have been Job was fearing and give your reason why it was not the woes he was experiencing at the time he said "that which i greatly fear came is come upon me" ?.
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