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I hope my gay friends will forgive me but every time I see the subject line and the phrase "Under Gay Attack" I think of being pelted with powder puffs and subject to some really bitchy glares.
You need to quit pretending something is being imposed to you. You are free to reject everything you hear. No one wil force you to do anything you don't want to do. Unfortunately that choise is not extended to Christians any more.
A basic tenant of our civil society is that your freedom or liberty ends at the tip on my nose. You are not allowed, on your expression of any belief, religion included, to harm me or my interests.
You have attempted to do this unceasingly.
In a sophisticated society, when some Christians try to deny rights (marriage, spousal benefits) to gay and lesbian citizens because somehow their religious beliefs are being violated, they violate the basic tenant that their freedom ends at the tip of another's nose.
There is much historical precedence as examples.
During the previous millennium in Europe, hereditary rulers often granted the prevailing church power over social policy in exchange for the church’s blessing of their authority. Dictators in developing countries often followed a similar path, cloaking themselves in the local religion. But those societies were (and are) not democracies. In our society, there should be no conflict between religion and our civil rights. This holds only as long as people do not try to impose their views on others.
So besides attempting to impose intolerance of gays on society what else has been attempted in recent memory?
The first thing that comes to mind is the changes that have taken place in health care law. The issue in a court case a couple of years ago was the types of contraception devices that would be available in approved health care policies. Owners of the companies, which challenged the law, indicated they felt that some of the devices approved violated their religious beliefs. Therefore, they refused to offer them to their employees.
This is where arrogance applies. These leaders are imposing their religious views on their employees. Our public discussion about women’s rights (including the choice to end a pregnancy), has been polluted by arrogant impositions of personal views on others. The belief that life begins at conception is a religious view, not one based on science.
To reject the relevance of opposing views is arrogant. Almost all Americans want to reduce abortions. Our ability to find a reasonable approach to this dilemma is hindered by those who impose their religious views on everyone, thereby making helpful dialogue for solutions impossible.
I stand with my fellow citizens, Christians, atheists, agnostics, and others in rejecting attempts by fundamentalists to impose their religious beliefs on us whether it is slavery, segregation, women’s rights, gay marriage or any other public issue.
The Supreme Court decision to allow companies to refuse birth control and abortion was all about letting arrogance get the upper hand. It has nothing to do with what fundamentalists believe. It is simply arrogance on their part for forcing their views on society.
Last edited by Wardendresden; 04-08-2015 at 01:47 AM..
You need to quit pretending something is being imposed to you. You are free to reject everything you hear. No one wil force you to do anything you don't want to do. Unfortunately that choise is not extended to Christians any more.
You "guys" wanted religion and then race to be protected categories, the gays wanted sexual-orientation to gain that government protection and special-treatments also. That is the problem with being two-faced and thinking you are special, others will think they are special too (and even that stereotypes shouldn't cause an individual to be discriminated). For example, I can't deny to make a Christian a wedding cake simply because they are Christian and I feel icky or threatened by higher powers if I am caught supporting their lifestyle and sex-positions (but only if I'm supported by the government in any way, if I want to discriminate in my cake-making, I have to be fully independent of the "protecting" government, such as Oral Roberts College is).
No it is obviously false propaganda. If the semi-socialist government we have doesn't support you, then you have nothing to fear... sadly for those who wish to discriminate based on sexual-orentation or religion, many churches and businesses rely on government exceptions and support. For example Oral Roberts College can and does discriminate (I think even on race, but definitively on their pushing their brand of religion and favored sex-couplings), because they have chosen to be as fully independent as they can be in those regards.
[The government can't imprison people for being bigots, all it can do is stop supporting them, which for the moochers is a load of trouble]
If there are radical gays threatening anti-gay businesses, then they should be punished just like the radicals of any sort that do illegal things, such as Christian radicals that threaten or molest Richard Dawkins with their beliefs about him and what they wish they could do to him. Anonymous hatred is shared pretty evenly among various groups.
Last edited by LuminousTruth; 04-08-2015 at 02:29 AM..
No it is obviously false propaganda. If the semi-socialist government we have doesn't support you, then you have nothing to fear... sadly for those who wish to discriminate based on sexual-orentation or religion, many churches and businesses rely on government exceptions and support. For example Oral Roberts College can and does discriminate (I think even on race, but definitively on their pushing their brand of religion and favored sex-couplings), because they have chosen to be as fully independent as they can be in those regards.
[The government can't imprison people for being bigots, all it can do is stop supporting them, which for the moochers is a load of trouble]
If there are radical gays threatening anti-gay businesses, then they should be punished just like the radicals of any sort that do illegal things, such as Christian radicals that threaten or molest Richard Dawkins with their beliefs about him and what they wish they could do to him. Anonymous hatred is shared pretty evenly among various groups.
When are people going to understand that a commercial enterprise is open for EVERYONE's patronage. If you don't like it, move to another country.
A business provides either a service or a commodity. The ONLY exchange is monetary or barter. It has nothing to do with race, religion, gender, color, OR sexual orientation (in many states). If that is an unacceptable way of doing business, close up shop. You can think your customer is a jerk based on your religion. Your customer can think you are a jerk because of your religion. But the only interaction is money for service/commodity. That's it.
We are not now nor have we EVER been a "christian" nation. And if God blesses us, it will remain that way, since the history of religion running government is simply disastrous.
Finally, the fundamentalists who think they should be able to insert themselves into politics deserve to have their churches removed from tax exemption. These threads have convinced me to begin writing my Congressman and Senators urging that tax exemption be removed for all money donated directly to churches. Now THAT is a commercial move that needs to be adopted by the nation.
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